Exploring Spiritual Dimensions- An Autistic Savant's Life Lessons For All Of Us

Host: Brian Smith
Guest: Jes Kerzen, co-author of A Mind Beyond Words

Summary: In this episode, Brian Smith sits down with Jes Kerzen, a retired teacher whose life took a transformative turn after meeting Asher, an autistic boy with extraordinary spiritual insights. Jes and Asher's journey, detailed in their book A Mind Beyond Words, explores pre-life agreements, spiritual realms, and the lessons we can learn from the most unexpected sources.

Key Points:

1. Introduction to Jes and Asher's Story - Jes's initial encounter with Asher and the early signs of his unique abilities.
2. Spiritual Lessons and Telepathy - Asher's teachings on manifestation and telepathic communication.
3. Navigating Personal Challenges - The impact of Asher's mother's terminal illness and how it strengthened Jes and Asher's bond.
4. The Importance of the Journey - The profound life lessons learned through their shared experiences and adventures.
5. Asher's Insights on the Education System and Medical Science - How their story could influence broader societal understanding of autism and spiritual dimensions.

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Transcript

Brian Smith: 0:28

This is a very special episode of grief to growth. And our guest today is Jess Curzon. She worked with a boy named Asher when he was a boy. He's a man now, but Asher is autistic and have a fantastic story. But for privacy reasons, she has decided that she wanted to keep her image off of the internet. So this will be a audio only interview. But please enjoy it. It's amazing. Hey there, welcome to another episode of grief to growth. And whether you're joining us for the first time, or you're returning listener, I'm your host, Brian Smith, and today we have a truly enlightening conversation lined up for you. I don't get to read the books of all the guests I have on but I did read this book because it's fascinating. So joining us today is Jess Carson. And just as a retired teacher, whose journey transcends the conventional classroom, or real education began not with textbooks and tests. But with the remarkable encounter with Asher Nasser was a six year old autistic boy when he became her teacher, her guide, and Asher is now the co author of a transformative book. It's called a mind beyond words. Their story delves into pre life agreements, spiritual dimensions, and the profound lessons that can come from the most unexpected teachers, all the things we'd love to talk about here on grief for growth, through experiences document on our platform, Ashra tree, which is actually tree.com. Jess explores realms beyond our ordinary perceptions, she shares insights to challenge our understanding of reality, and what it truly means to learn and grow. Today, she's here to take us on a journey that promises to expand our minds and to touch our souls. So as we explore the depths of human spiritual connections, remember, join us a grief to growth.com/community to continue the conversation there. So with that, let's welcome just to the show.

Jes Kerzen: 2:12

Hello, Brian, and thank you so much for inviting me to your show. And for that basic introduction, that's really appreciate it. Well, thank you for your amazing book and the amazing work that you've done in the field of human potential and who we are. So

Brian Smith: 2:28

I do want to let people know, before we get started that we decided not to show your image in the interview. And that's to protect the privacy of Asher, who's a very private young man. So I am looking at your your lovely woman, and I thank you for being here today.

Jes Kerzen: 2:41

So I appreciate that. Thank you. So that's very good.

Brian Smith: 2:45

So um, tell us how you encountered Asher in the first place? How did you guys meet?

Jes Kerzen: 2:51

Well, I was a school teacher in a specialist class for children with speech and language difficulties. So there were several who had some form of autistic spectrum perception. And there were others who just had problems with the muscles in their mouths, and they couldn't speak properly. And Asha was admitted to the class because he fitted both those criteria as a six year old child. And at first I thought, right, here's another one, you know, work with him, I'll teach him how to control the muscles in his mouth, how to speak properly. I've been doing this job for years, I knew what I was up to. And I thought that would be it, then he'd become more able to communicate and he'd be able to go off to a mainstream classroom, which most of our children did. And after I'd been teaching that particular class for a few weeks, I felt things were going a bit strange. And I couldn't really follow what was happening in my classroom, but I didn't seem to have a control of the class. And I felt that it was almost as if someone was sabotaging my lesson. And I thought, either I was paranoid or something was wrong with me. So I watched carefully. And because he was the new kid in the class, he was the one I watched, particularly. And I can tell he was a very bright little boy, that was obvious right from the get go. But the more I watched Asher the more I realized yet he was the one who was messing up my lessons he would spread little bits of misinformation need get up to things very, very cleverly, so that it was very hard to notice. And eventually, I took him aside and I said, Can you explain why you're messing with my lesson. And you might expect a six year old who's been rumbled for doing something like that to either look a bit scared that they're going to get told off or to fall about laughing and say, Hey, I got you. But he didn't do either of those things. His face just lit up. And he stared at me and he said, it's you. I thought it was and I had No idea what the child was talking about. So I said, What's me? And then he explained to me the best he could give him his limited language that he'd been. He planned these tests, as he called them. And he'd been trying them out on adults in his life, since he was three or four. And he been looking for a special person, somebody who would figure out what was going on and figure out what he was doing. And when he found that person, he'd have solved his problem. So I said, Okay, so I passed your tests. So, you know, now what? And he said, We made a deal. We made a deal, that you'd be my help. And I said, Well, you've only recently come to the class. I don't remember making any deals with you. That is, before I were born. As if that was the most obvious thing in the world. I talked leaved him, Brian, I actually thought this kid is not messing me about. He does remember something that we did before he was born. And from that moment on, I've watched that child very, very carefully. Thank goodness I did. So yeah, there was no punishment. There was no telling off. It was just beating themselves.

Brian Smith: 6:59

So did you believe in pre birth planning before this before this moment,

Jes Kerzen: 7:04

hadn't really given us a lot of thought, to be honest, I'd certainly believed there was more to life than just, you know, living for however many years and then pushing up daisies. I thought there was definitely something going on. I vaguely thought reincarnation was quite likely. I was curious, I was prepared to believe it. So yeah, yeah.

Brian Smith: 7:31

So how did things go with Astra you taught them but typically, you would teach a child for a year, I assume, and then they move on to the next class or next teacher or whatever. So how did how did you maintain this relationship for so long? Wow.

Jes Kerzen: 7:45

That's an excellent question. Thank you. Yeah. Yes, normally, I would have a child in my class for maximum of three or four years before they were ready to go back to mainstream but very sadly Nash's case something happened to change all that he was eight years old, I think so a couple of years after he joined the class. And he was making very good progress with his speech, and it was looking likely that he'd be moving to a mainstream school. So but very sadly, his mother phoned me one day and said, she just been personal tests. And she had cancer. And it was terminal. And she only had a few months to live. So the first thing she said was, I know you've been thinking about maybe moving Asher on to a different classroom. But this is the time I agreed with her complete, spoke to my head teacher, and we agreed that he needed all the stability, possibly. And so over the next few months, I helped where I could, I'd actually become quite a close friend of Asher's mom, she was a lovely, lovely lady Nina. And we had become quite good friends. And so I said, Well, if you want me to take the kids out at weekends, so that you and your partner can have some time together or if you want me to stay in the house with you. Look after you while your husband takes the children out and starts bonding with them as life's gonna be in the future. We we did all those things. I also got some one to one time with ASHA, my lovely head teacher of it to read the class read the class stories once a week so that I had some, some one to one time to just talk things through and help him as best I could. And then, all right, at the very end of her life, when she was in hospice, I got a call from Nina's husband say she's asked you to speak to you can you go there after work today? So I rushed off the service worker finished, got to the hospice. She was sitting up in bed she was coherent. She was she knew she only had a few days to go but she wanted to talk to me and she had Two things to tell me. The first was she wanted me to get Asher to go and visit. Because he'd been avoiding doing that he just found it too painful, too difficult. And she said, Can you ask him just to come in and say goodbye, because if he doesn't, he's going to feel really bad afterwards. And I don't want him to carry that burden of guilt. So this wasn't a site. This was a job site. That was very typical. And the second thing, she said, welling up now, the second thing she said was, it's a lot to ask, but you understand that she taught him for years you and he seemed to have a very special bond, can I ask you to keep an eye out for him even when he's no longer in your class, even when he's growing up? Because with his autism with losing a mother at such a young age, he's going to be quite a vulnerable kid. And I think you'd be a wonderful mentor for him. So I promised at that moment that I would be a lifelong friend to Asher. And Adam is very, very happy to do so because I love the kids bits by them. So we just never separated. He's, it is early 30s. Our, we're still very close. That's awesome.

Brian Smith: 12:01

So Asher, he became vertel. So he's able to he's can speak and communicate. But what did you What did you learn about his other abilities?

Jes Kerzen: 12:13

Yeah, they sort of crept up on me gradually. He told me one day, I think you should know that I'm telepathic. And I imagine being a school teacher and having one of your pupils telling you that? Ah, does that mean you can read my mind? And you just be? Yep. And there was I discovered that their whole class even before they could speak, work communicating with each other telepathically which I've been teaching children like that for years. And it just hadn't dawned on me that they could do it. But this slot did and they kind of attuned me to it so that I could start picking it up. And I didn't use it very much with ASHA, he. He said afterwards that he didn't really want to focus on the telepathy at that stage because he wanted to move from telepathy which was his first language to speaking and being able to use his voice because that's what everybody else did. And it will make life easier for him. So yeah, that's how it started.

Brian Smith: 13:36

I just said that was that was a surprise for me in the book when you said that the class they were communicating telepathically because in a lot of times, we look at people who are differently abled, disabled with abled differently. And we think other nonverbal they're not that they can't communicate. But you share some anecdotes in the book about they communicate very well with each other and with you. Oh,

Jes Kerzen: 13:59

yeah, absolutely. Yeah, they've been doing it with themselves. Yeah, there was one time when I was watching them when they were still quite tiny. And they were playing in the playground. And I just as I watched, I thought, this game is not just random, there's actually cool. You know, they know what they're doing. They're taking part in a creative game that everybody knows where they should be, and what's going to happen next, and where they're going. And they're not using any words. They're not speaking was some laughter and there's a few sound effects, but nothing else. And that's when it dawned on me. They all communicate with each other with their minds. The thing that dawned on me straight after that was if I mentioned this to any of the other staff here, I'm probably going to get the sack because they'll become crazy. So I kept it very much. So

Brian Smith: 14:59

yeah, I think that I said that was one of the things I took away from the book that I was really, I mean, so Asher of course is a special person, but a lot of these children's not all these children that are neurodivergent that have different, different ways of processing there. Our first language from my understanding is from people having near death experiences, etc is telepathy. And then we come here we have to learn to be verbal, so it's interesting answers like okay, you're going Be my help because you're gonna help me with the verbal aspect of this life on Earth.

Jes Kerzen: 15:33

Yeah, but there was much more to it than that, because that was just the start of it. That's all he knew at that time. Yeah, I mean, I've, I've got a theory that we we do, as you say, all start off using telepathy little babies, they can communicate with their caregivers, their mothers, they, they have a way of letting their mums know when they want feeding or when they will keep changing whatever and it's not spoken obviously. And my, my theory for what it's worth, I haven't got any proof of this, but I think that children around one and a half, two years of age, they start to develop spoken language. And at that point, they let the telepathy sort of slip away. But some children choose not to do that. Asher was definitely one of them. He didn't want to drop the telepathy, he wanted to keep the the telepathy going because he could see the advantage to it that you didn't help him too much. Because nobody else could pick up what he was trying to beam to them. I feel like it's these other children in the class.

Brian Smith: 16:52

So you communicated primarily verbally because you were getting he wanted to learn to use his language. But then after a while it kind of switched back the other way you started, he started speaking with you telepathically. But I guess before we get to that you guys took a lot of adventures, you took a lot of train adventure. So tell us about about how those came about?

Jes Kerzen: 17:13

Yeah, well. As I said before, when his mother was ill, I used to take him off on trips, I don't drive I don't have a driving license. But we happen to live in a town that was about an hour's journey by train to London. And of course from London is a capital you can get to anywhere else in the country. And so to start off with I just took him on the trips down to London for a day and he absolutely loved trains, he became completely obsessed with trains. Yeah, he couldn't get enough of them. And it was always when are we going on an x ray, right? When are we going on another train, right. And he planned trips on our underground system that you and I gave him his own Tube map. And he loved planning the most convoluted difficult routes you could possibly imagine. Not telling me where we were going. Just say, right, we need to change here, we need to go on to this slide. And we need to change there. We need to go into that line. he'd end up spending an entire day dragging me around on the ground, never getting out to care. So yeah, one time I said, Why do we do this? We never go anywhere. We never actually end up anyplace. We're just sitting on these wretched underground trades all day long. And I mean, he could only have been a little kid, primary school age 10 Maybe. And he just turned looked at me and said, Don't you understand? It's the journeys that matter, not where we're going. And I thought yeah, you're not just talking about trade. Right? So you? Yeah, correct and carried on.

Brian Smith: 19:10

Yeah, that, that I thought that was so profound that the point of the book about it's not about, it's not about where we end up, it's about the depth, the journey. And the convoluted subjects, we are so driven in our lives to go from point A to point B, and we until we get to point B, nothing else matters. He was teaching these things in some very inventive ways. Yeah.

Jes Kerzen: 19:38

Yeah. He's always had that gift for just making such profound things right from being a small child such profound ideas and he puts them in such simple terms and that's what I love about working with Asher he's just always got easy little analogy that anybody could understand this Yeah, some really profound stuff comes out. Yeah,

Brian Smith: 20:03

and there's some some again, some great lessons in the book about manifestation that a little demonstration you did for you that I thought was really, really interesting. These These, these concepts that we struggle with so much that he puts in such a simple way that we can we can understand. Yeah,

Jes Kerzen: 20:50

because to him, it is simple is his own way. He's known where he's come from. He's always know why he's here. He's always understood what we're supposed to be doing. And yeah to hear, it's just easy stuff. The hard stuff is finding words to put it.

Brian Smith: 21:08

Well, I guess that's where you come in. So when did you guys start? I guess collaborating on this project? How did that come about? Time for a real quick break, make sure you like and subscribe, liking the video will show it to more people on YouTube, and subscribe, you will make sure you get access to all my great content in the future. And now back to the video.

Jes Kerzen: 21:31

It was a bit of a stop start thing I read quite a long time. And before when he was in his teens, I was saying to him look, put this in the book needs to go in a book. I was speaking to a lady who traveled elders and they actually told the spirit guides said to me during this conversation, you will write a book and you will explain what's been going on between the two of you. And I remember saying that to Asher's like, I've been told by the spirit guides that we need to write a book and he turned around was a very truculent 16 year old said, I bid you to write my life story. Right, okay, so step back, but I kept making notes, I kept keeping records, I got a huge file on my computer. And then, when he was an adult, when he was in his 20s, we stopped working verbally, his choice, he did not want to write emails, he didn't want to speak, to have that sort of communication with he still won't. But he started talking to me telepathically. And once I've mastered that once I could actually respond to it. But we could have a two way conversation purely through our minds. He then said, You're right, it doesn't need to go with a book. And now I don't have to search around for the words, then that's your job. So I'll put thoughts into your mind. And you go word eyes, the word eyes them. So that was my job.

Brian Smith: 23:39

Yeah, it's really interesting. There's a concept in the book that I really hadn't heard before. Because, as you said, you don't communicate with Asher verbally anymore. It sounds like very, very rarely, I guess, you text or an email or something. But you guys don't communicate on a regular basis, the way that we would communicate. But you're communicating telepathic and you talk about you're communicating with his telepathic self. Was that five remember the phrase correctly? Is that right? Yeah,

Jes Kerzen: 24:06

yeah. Well, I, I didn't know what else to call it. process, a spiritual self. But he has, I think the medical term is dissociated. You know, that's supposed to be a pathology. But he's got these two aspects to him. There's the ordinary, everyday physical bloke who, he's got a job. He goes to work each day and he comes home. And he sits in his room. And as far as I know, that's it. He doesn't seem to go anywhere. He doesn't seem to mix with people. He, he does communicate to me by text once a week. I'll say, Hi, how was your week? I'll get by fine. Are you okay? Yes, but it's only ever a single word. Wow. Yeah. So I still write him little text. But I don't get response to everything apart from just one word awake to let you know, it's basically the physical. But every evening almost we have these long convoluted wonderful discussions about metaphysics and what he sees and what he calls the realms this direction that he's able to travel out of body and move into its

Brian Smith: 25:36

Yeah, that's really interesting, because even describes you describe how the how apathy works, how you guys kind of, I guess, meet in a space that it's, it's not a physical space. So it's hard for us in our language because we think of things in space and time and these are things not limited by space or time I'm but you're you're communicating with as you call him again, his telepathic self that he's, I guess to associate it with and just Ashford lives his his physical life here, but it's kind of like I just I let that part handle the books and stuff.

Jes Kerzen: 26:10

Yeah. And let the two sides mix. You know, I'll send him a text saying, hey, you know, we soaks over the books. Not interested doesn't wonder. I'm not even sure that physically he's read the book. Wow, wow. He knows everything about it telepathically and he's totally engrossed in it. And yeah, he actually told me last week, telepathically, obviously that I said, How do you feel about the book being out there? And he said, feel, or he is simply the feeling of being able to look out over every single person who read it. And being able to connect with that person pick up their feelings. So every time they were seeing something where they went, Oh, yeah. Oh, that's interesting. All he was able, is able to pick that up. So that's the level at which he's responding to having a book out there, which is what matters.

Brian Smith: 27:25

Yeah, so yeah, that's really interesting. I'm just I'm just kind of even picture this because I again, never really heard of anything quite like this where you know, the the physical Asher is disassociated from the the telepathic of the spiritual aspect of him that's doing this work of getting this book out and everything. And it's like, the other part was kind of like, okay, well, you go live your life and then just live like a regular guy. And I'll handle this. So that was a new concept. To me, that was one of those aha moments for me. Yeah.

Jes Kerzen: 27:58

I don't know if I've got a toughest job. But well, maybe he's got the toughest job because he's got the whole of some other dimension to explore and, and bring all that information down to a level that I can pick it up and understand it.

Brian Smith: 28:14

What it actually I was gonna say, Didn't her and heard this concept before. But there's a series of books by a woman named Francis key, and they're called the team and her her mother, passing the spirit or mother channel's the books back to her. And she does talk about this concept of like, only a small part of us incarnates. And the biggest part of us is in the spiritual realms, as Astra calls them. So yeah, it's kind of it's like with him, it's, he's in contact, or you're in contact with that part of him. It sounds like, yeah,

Jes Kerzen: 29:28

yeah, that is the way he explains it as well. He said, we only do have, he said, you've got a light body, which is said, if you imagine it as a great beam of light that goes right down deep into the depths of the earth, and in the other direction goes right up as far as you can go. And he said, if that's the sort of light frequency, that's you, the whole of you. And the physical self is some little tiny bit somewhere on that. spectrum. And he said, We're the visible light spectrum, we're just the sort of read through to violet bits that we can see. But all the sort of infrared and ultraviolet and all the things way beyond in either direction. They're not part of the physical body. They're all part of the light body.

Brian Smith: 30:25

Yeah, that was really interesting. And you talked about chakras in that part of the book, awesome. And describe chakras in a way I hadn't heard before. Because we think of them as discrete. You know, red, orange, yellow, blue, green, violet, whatever. He describes them as more of a spectrum. That five remember correctly. Yeah.

Jes Kerzen: 30:44

Yeah, no, that was new to me as well. I was quite stunned by that. Because when he started talking about these light frequencies, I said, Oh, you're talking about chakras? And he said, Yeah, but people just think there's seven chakras or however many that system says, they said, You do much better if you think of it in terms of the spectrum if you think of it as moving from Red through a sort of orangey red to deep orange and then moving into a subtle golden color and then eventually to yellow and so on. And I said well, what's the advantage of that and ash is very simple idea was, if you had a box, a huge box with 100 Calorie pencils and had all those colors, and you only ever use separate them that you think that would be Give it another check.

Brian Smith: 31:38

Yeah, I love that. Yeah. So, um, in terms of, I know, in the book, I guess that there's a there's a whole lot of lessons in there. There's, there's lessons about, like the way that people that are neurodivergent like the way their brains work, which I think it'd be really interesting. So, I wonder, do you know if as medical science looked at that at all understood that what you explained in the book?

Jes Kerzen: 32:06

I think medical science is still a little way behind that. I think there probably are some pioneering people who are starting to look at it, but I've never, I have done, you know, a fair bit of research and tried to find out but yeah, there's people who are starting to pick up on the spiritual aspect, the multi dimensional aspect of autism, but they are in the minority, because most doctors, medical people are very firmly caught up in us being bodies, and, you know, even our thoughts and our emotions, and everything is all somewhere in the body. Asha says no, that's that's just not the way it is.

Brian Smith: 32:52

Yeah, well, that's, that's, you know, it's funny, we were talking before we start recording about, you know, the, the lessons of the of this book and what people can take away from people like in my audience, and it's what I try to tell people all the time, we are not what we appear to be, you know, as neurotypical people, but even these neurodivergent people, you know, in a lot of ways, it seems like they're actually more capable than we are. Because they are connected to the higher realms, but because they're not as connected to the physical. You know, we think there's, there's a deficit there. And it's, it's actually quite the opposite in many cases.

Jes Kerzen: 33:33

Yeah. In fact, that's something I've been discovering since I wrote the book, because I often take copies out and sell them at book fairs and places. So I get to meet people, which I love doing, because I've gotten a banner up with a picture of sort of what the books about and I find loads of people walk past but certain people every single time I do this are just drawn towards me. And they, hey, you've had somebody with autism? Who's telepathic adult say, Yeah, that's right. You know, I work in a manner to be a center for adults with learning difficulties, or a school for autistic children or a place for non speaking people. And these people are communicating with me, I've always felt they are. I think every single time I've had one of those stalls, I've had at least two people have come up and said something. Yeah, even people who have no speech at all people who are completely non speaking, do have this capacity. They just need, as Asha says, I haven't personally I've been tuned into it. And so

Brian Smith: 34:59

yeah, you know, it's interesting. I think we all we've all had some experience of some sort of telepathy before we feel like we've known somebody's thoughts, something we felt like we felt someone looking at us will say, or do you think of somebody in the phone rings? We've all had those things that we just chalk them off to, to coincidence. And because science, the Western materialistic science, ties the mind to the brain and says, thoughts aren't even things right. They say, well, that's, that's impossible. But I think again, most of us, like people have a feeling like there's something more our thoughts do have an impact in the world, and, and we Oh, my dog, my dog communicates with me all the time. I can. It's funny, because I'll tell my wife, you know, she needs to go out. Right? How do you know, like, there's, you know, she's 10. I've been around a long time. I can tell you know, what she wants, and our dogs can do that. So, people we are whatever. Well, I know why we become we have to fit in with this world. And we use verbal language. And we and we emphasize that. And so that's what happens. That other part of us, I think, kind of atrophies for a lot of people.

Jes Kerzen: 36:10

Yeah, I think so. Yeah, the book probably centuries and centuries before. People did develop speech in which they were communicating telepathically and picking things up that way. I think speech and certainly written language are very recent change. And it's got good bits, but it's also Got not so good bits, it's got parts that you think, Well, if we could all read each other's minds, it'd be curtains to most of the politicians, wouldn't

Brian Smith: 36:49

it because it would be interesting, it would be very, but there's so many misunderstandings that come from verbal communication, you know? Yeah, we, we say one thing, and the other person hears another thing, and we can't communicate feelings very well through words. So there's definitely some limitations. And this is something where, and I've heard a lot of people say this, we can all develop these abilities. We all have them. They may be latent, but we can we can develop them if we work on them.

Jes Kerzen: 37:24

Well, I mean, I'm proof of that I was the most ordinary ops tatted person I was nobody special. And I went through 40 odd years of my life without any experiences of that sort. But the journey I've been on since has been amazing, and it is down to believe it took me years to believe that I was actually picking up what I was picking up from. It makes it sound easy, but I support this book all the time, beyond words of it tells you you know all about these wonderful conversations we have. Actually, I spent a huge part of that time thinking, well, I felt like I got this message from him. But it's just wishful thinking. Yes, I can't. Right,

Brian Smith: 38:13

right. Well, I think that again, we all kind of doubt ourselves in that way. I know about people who are mediums, for example, and I talk to people across the veil. And when you when you go through mediumship training, I've done a little bit of it. You know, when I do get something right ahead, I'm like, Well, that was just my imagination, or that was just a good guess. And so for you with Asher again, I think it's really important. We bring this point forward. It's not like one day, you just said okay, actually, we're gonna sit down to write this book together. It took years for you to develop this. And not maybe not develop, but to believe in it to trust it.

Jes Kerzen: 38:48

Yeah, yeah. It's the trust. That is the hardest bit. And I still, I mean, if I'm absolutely honest, I still had times where I think, yeah, I'm not getting this. I'm just not getting anything tonight. And I'm not, you know, and then when we do reconnect, what went wrong? You were doubting?

Brian Smith: 39:07

Yeah, yeah. Well, let's talk if you could, well, I want to talk about the manifestation part. I'm not sure if that's the phrase used in the book, I think it was. But the thing on the train with a water bottle, I thought that was really cool, because I struggle with the idea of manifestation. And so explain to people what astral taught you.

Jes Kerzen: 39:28

Okay, so this was back when Asher was in his teens. And we were on one of our many train journeys. And he was trying to explain this whole concept of how everybody was connected, everything was connected, and that we could change our world, just by the power of intention. And we're sitting on this train ride in one of those seats that has a table in between them, and we're opposite each other. And he got a bottle of water, plastic water bottle with him. And he looked down tables, looked at this water bottle and said, Okay, try this. He said, How could you move this bottle of water across to your side of the table. And I looked at the water bottles, and this is me being a pupil and him being the teacher and emphasize. So I looked at the water bottle, and it was nearly full. And I said, Well, it's too heavy to blow. And this table is bolted to the carriage. So I can't shift it by moving the table. I said you're thinking of something along different lines? And he said, Yeah, it's easy. He said, just see where you want it to be. And I think that was before all the sort of manifestation best sellers came in. I don't think I've heard this idea before, but to see it where you want it to be. So there's both of us sitting there on a trade staring fixedly at the other side of the table, imagining that water bottle having moved from there to there and be thinking water bottles do not migrate across tables. This just does not happen. Then, few minutes later, door of the carriage open. The guard came in, save on trains in the States but we have guards who come along check your tickets sometime during the journey. So God came up, asked to see my ticket and gave it term he checked it to see ashes. Check that he was there seconds, absolute seconds. During that time for no reason that I could possibly discern. This guy picked up the water bottle and moved it to exactly the spot we've been looking at. It walked on to the next people. And I just sat this dairy this water TOLD YOU SO grid on it yeah, it just flew by completely stopped, I spent the rest of that day trying to come to terms with that he just carried on as if it has nothing to do.

Brian Smith: 42:25

I love that story that really struck me because the lesson that I got from that is like, Okay, we think about, again, logical steps. So if I have to make this happen, I could pick it up, I could do this. And I think the lesson was, don't worry about how that's that's not really up to you. It's see the see the outcome. And was that the lesson, see the outcome,

Jes Kerzen: 42:52

and let life join up the dots. explaining it so you have this situation you want that situation? Just focus on what you want to happen. Life joins up the dots? I can if we can believe that? I guess.

Brian Smith: 43:11

Yeah. Well, that's that's the thing is believing it and I love it. Like I said that illustration was so wild. Because you know, who could envision no one's gonna think, Oh, well have the guard come in and move the water bottle?

Jes Kerzen: 43:28

It's yeah, it. Yeah, it was totally, it was critical day all together. Later on in the day, on the trip back from wherever we'd be. I was trying to get him to go to the buffet. I was trying to encourage him because of his shyness and his autism to do everyday tasks. Okay, we're both starving. You go down to the buffet of biases, snack, or drink. And he turned around and looked down the carriage. And he said, now there's a huge queue there. I'm not going to wait till the queues. I'll just get rid of the queue or something like that. And so he just sat there. And a few minutes later, he said, Okay, I'll get them now. And got up and walked down the carriage and then came back with a couple of toasted sandwiches, stuff as a few disappeared. And so quickly. How did that happen? Is that something like what you did with the water bottle? Yeah, same, same thing really. So he could get rid of and he's told me later on in his life that he still uses that everyday life. He hates queuing up the aid speeding amongst a load of people. If he's got to go to the post office say he will just visit visually visualize people moving away not being around and then be able to walk straight in there.

Brian Smith: 45:05

So how is your your 25 year relationship with Azure and an ongoing? How has it changed the way that you view life and the purpose of why we're here and all that stuff?

Jes Kerzen: 45:20

Just completely changed it out of all recognition. I mean, I would never in one lifetime, got the information that I've got without actually there to show me it's been incredible I I firmly believe all the stuff that he's telling me. I have everything he says make sense. And I feel almost as if I'm remembering it. I didn't know I knew it. But when he'll say this is how something works. Oh, yeah. Yeah, of course it is. That's how something works. So I think I think other people probably feel that at some point. There will be things racing just feels right at a gut level that builds the way things are so yeah, it's completely changed my life, enriched it hugely. So very, very different attitude of I wouldn't have you ever told.

Brian Smith: 46:26

And there are things in your life like even before you met Asher that just the way you ended up teaching, spoke with some special needs children here but the way you ended up teaching those children That that was like a set or an event or a series of events that happened that, to me indicate some sort of plan. Yeah,

Jes Kerzen: 46:44

yeah, I'm sure the was Asha calls it satellite navigation system. In England, we we call GPS, the sat nav satellite navigation. And he calls it subtle light navigation. And he says, it's just like GPS, you tell yourself in spirit, the kind of things you want to experience in this lifetime. And for some people that will be trauma, it will be difficult things that will be lost to be brief, perhaps it'll be winning the lottery, whatever you decide, in spirit before you're born, what you want life to give you the opportunity to do, but how you deal with it, that's entirely your choice. So you might say, okay, in spirit, I would like to have a life where I keep getting illnesses, I keep getting ill, that'll what happens I've always ever get until I figure out a way to change that. So life will deliver all these illnesses. It's down to us to figure out what we're going to do. For example, yeah, well, yeah,

Brian Smith: 48:08

I think about that you mentioned Asher's mother's passing, which is, you know, as you said, a sad event or a terrible event. But if that hadn't happened in your relationship with Asher, do you think it would have continued?

Jes Kerzen: 48:26

Not with the same degree, I'm not saying I replaced his mouth in no way nobody. But the relationship between us we were kind of thrown together by this awful circumstance. And he needed far more support than most children that I taught.

Brian Smith: 48:49

And I think it goes to even children being born differently abled, whether it's whether it's autism, or whether it's a physical thing, or whatever it is, you know, a lot of times we look at that, and we say that, Oh, that's a terrible thing. That's a tragedy. And it's interesting, because as I've talked to parents of children that have special needs, for whatever they are, they almost always say it's a big blessing. You know, there's something that we get out of it, the weed so it, it helps us I think the book, the examples, you get the book help us to see that this is not random. This was you know, this wasn't an accident. This wasn't a mistake. It's not a mistake that Asher was born autistic.

Jes Kerzen: 49:27

Yeah, it's not it's not a mistake that anyone's born autistic. And it's not down to, you know, the various reasons that people say, Oh, it must have been a vaccine, or it must have been this or it must have been that if a person has chosen to embody with that set of challenges, and they are challenges in a neurotypical world. The challenge is because we make it so because I will just completely geared to neurotypical people and it's very hard for somebody with autism say to fit into it, but now they've definitely chosen to be that way. I think often so that they can focus on other things. It's not that every one of them is going to be spiritually gifted, psychically gifted the way Asher is. But you get people who are mathematical geniuses, they, they don't deal with the sort of everyday stuff that washing your socks, and they go into the supermarket and all of that, but they will sit, you know, do basic maths or amazing artwork or whatever, because they can fix whatever it was they wanted to bring through. And it's like,

Brian Smith: 50:43

yeah, yeah, absolutely. So um, the book again, is awesome. And I think ash, I know Ash is still teaching you. Is there a second book coming?

Jes Kerzen: 50:54

Yeah, several people have asked that. And I asked Asher and he said, yeah, there is another one coming because we need to shift the education system from just dealing with materialism and dealing with teaching children. The stuff that AI can do anyway and could do faster and better, to giving a much more creative, open experience to teach, to enable children to learn critical thinking or to master critical thinking to foster creativity to foster getting along with others. is, yeah, thank you. So he liked to see that change, he'd like to see the medical system change again away from the materialistic human being as machine idea to a much more income fully compensated, called concept, because it's not in six, when he was told 16 that he had Asperger's syndrome. The doctor said to him, you know, oh, well, this, you know, you will have problems with this, you will have difficulties with that this role, and that'll be hard for you, and you won't be able to do this. Then he asked Asher if he had anything else, I mean, he was a 16 year old kid, he was very nervous and shy anyway, to suddenly begin. He wasn't aware of the autism until he had this diagnosis at 60. And when the doctor said to her this, is there anything else she noticed about yourself that makes you different from the other children at school? And being a very honest young man, he said, Yeah, I see things. Sometimes I have kind of patients. So I just know things in my mind that nobody's taught me I just have to turn around and say, Oh, yes, hallucinations. Yes, it's delusional. So just ignore all that if you can, and just put that aside, concentrate on, on behaving like a normal person as much as you can. And that will make life easier for months after that, actually wouldn't accept any of the things that he knew he would accept any of his abilities, psychic skills, he just was trying to behave like a normal person, like a normal. He turned around to me and said, Well, if you believe all that rubbish I've been telling you, then you must be delusional as well. It's just as a pilot, I Asperges.

Brian Smith: 53:40

That's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking. And I guess it's and then this is speculation on my part. But I wonder if that's what the physical Ash is doing now is just wanting to be normal. Just like I'm gonna set this aside, I just want to live a normal life. And that's, it's terrible that we don't allow people to celebrate their differences and realize how much we could learn from people like Azure.

Jes Kerzen: 54:07

And it's all for that those people are made to feel like they're second rate citizens, they don't have what the rest of us have got, they're not as good as us. And it's just such a waste. And he's, he's said to me, many times, there are so many likely, who just have chosen to ignore all of that stuff. Ignore all the things that they know, and the things that they suspect because they're trying so hard to fit in and ask and be like, here. It is tragic. It is, and

Brian Smith: 54:45

I know, well, I hear a lot of people saying that more people are coming in into the world now with with memories, more connection to the other side. To help us you know, and then we are again, we're saying okay, there's something wrong with you. You're delusional. You know, that's, that's impossible. And but I do and I appreciate you putting the book out and you putting yourself out here because I think this message I know this message is needed, we need to understand people like Asher but also people like us, who are who we are, and that we're not we're not accidents, we are so much more than we think we are and our lives are planned and somebody does care the universe cares. And these things that happen you know a lot of them we plan ourselves because we want to learn these lessons.

Jes Kerzen: 55:37

Yeah, yeah. No, I'm so there is a plan to it all and I agree there are more and more people who are showing up differently ordered, disordered and have these waves of a being that challenge. The stereotype that challenged this way of thinking how do doctors and medical people who are calling as a disorder explain the fact that they have these others have abilities that they themselves don't like kind of brush that under the carpet?

Brian Smith: 56:13

Yeah, it's interesting because we were talking about I mean, we I've seen people that have memories that can remember every everything that ever happened to them, you know, people that can do like you said math people that can play instruments, and we take those people we elevate them but we don't the other people that are able like like Asher with a telepathic and they could probably teach to some more because Astra does go to these realms between a really good chance to talk about but these other these other dimensions, and there's a lot to learn there that people that are exploring that could teach us. Yeah.

Jes Kerzen: 56:49

Yes, that's right. So I think the more of them we listen to, the more we're going to learn and the more we're going to evolve, reach where they are. Yeah.

Brian Smith: 57:00

Well, just thank you so much for joining us today. It's been a pleasure talking to you. Anything else you'd like to share with the audience before we before we wrap up for today?

Jes Kerzen: 57:10

Oh, I think we've covered so much headway it sir. Yeah, it's been a lovely chat. I've really enjoyed talking to you. Yeah, if people want to find out more the books called a mind beyond words. Yeah,

Brian Smith: 57:26

the website is Ashley tree.com. Is that correct? Yes. There's information on on the website as well. So again, thank you so much for doing this for putting it out there. telepathically. Tell Asher I said thank you to a

Jes Kerzen: 57:41

lot. Well, yeah. They live tuned in at some level.

Brian Smith: 57:45

Probably here right now. All right, but just you have a great rest of your day.

Jes Kerzen: 57:49

Thank you. Thanks so much, Brian. Lovely to talk to you.

Brian Smith: 57:53

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