I was so excited to finally get to sit down with Christian Sundberg. I've heard him speak several times and wanted to share him with you.
Welcome to this enlightening podcast interview with Christian. He shares his unique and profound insights into the human experience. Christian is a remarkable individual who remembered his existence before coming to Earth as a child and then rediscovered it later in life through meditation and personal awakening.
In this conversation, Christian discusses his experiences with Out of Body Experiences (OBEs) and how they helped him remember his true nature. He shares his insights on the importance of love in our human journey and how we can connect with our deeper selves to live a more fulfilling life. Christian's perspectives are sure to change the way you view your life, and his wisdom is relevant to anyone seeking a deeper understanding of themselves and the world around them.
Aside from his spiritual journey, Christian has extensive experience as a project manager in complex manufacturing projects, giving him a unique perspective on the intersection of spirituality and practicality. He is also the author of the book "A Walk in the Physical," which explores the larger spiritual context of our existence and emphasizes the importance of love in our human journey.
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* The reason for coming to be human
* The nature of the veil
* Our true nature/ what we really are
* Grief as an expression of love
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Brian Smith 0:00
Close your eyes and imagine what are the things in life that causes the greatest pain, the things that bring us grief, or challenges, challenges designed to help us grow to ultimately become what we were always meant to be. We feel like we've been buried. But what if, like a seed we've been planted, and having been planted would grow to become a mighty tree. Now, open your eyes, open your eyes to this way of viewing life. Come with me as we explore your true, infinite, eternal nature. This is grief to growth. And I am your host, Brian Smith. Everybody, this is Brian back with another episode of Free to growth. And today I've got with me Christian Sunberg. And I'm really excited to talk to Christian I've been following him for a while. I've heard him speak a couple of times, he's got a fascinating story. And a really great message that I think you're I know you're going to enjoy hearing, when Christian was a young child remembered as existence before coming to earth. And while that memory left to completely for his early adult life is spontaneous and return 12 years ago, as he took up a meditation practice and went through a personal awakening journey. He also began to have out of body experiences, or ob es or ob es. Christian now often speaks publicly as he seeks to remind others, and at least a small part of who we really are beneath the human play in quotes. Professionally, Krishna has worked for 16 years as a project manager for complex nuclear pump and Valve manufacturing projects, and is also now working for an insurance company. He is the author of the book, a walk in the physical, which attempts to succinctly describe the largest spiritual context in which we exist, and the importance of love and our human journey. So with that one, welcome to grief to growth, Christian Sunberg.
Christian Sundberg 1:55
Thank you so much, Brian. It's an honor to be here. Thank you.
Brian Smith 1:58
Yeah, I as I said, earlier, I'm really excited about talking to you. I've heard your story probably two or three years ago, I think now, I've heard you speak. I reference you all the time because I've learned so much from your experiences and from what you've shared, you share your book freely. It's Abell for people to download free. So you're so generous with your time. And so I appreciate you being here and doing this.
Christian Sundberg 2:24
Sure. No problem, sir.
Brian Smith 2:26
So if you could start telling you said you had early remembrances when you were a child, before being in the body, so what was that? Like?
Christian Sundberg 2:38
What was the experience like? Or what was it like being a child who had the memory?
Brian Smith 2:42
What was the experience? Like? Okay, so
Christian Sundberg 2:45
the, the pre incarnate of state is very difficult to describe in language. I'll just try, I'll just let me just, please first disclaim that, it's really important to say that language cannot possibly speak to, to this content, you know, our higher natures and who we really are, it just so vastly transcends the metaphor set that we use as humans, you know, all the forms and symbols of language, it's so crude. So it's extremely difficult to try to describe, what I can say is that we are multi dimensional beings, who are beings of love and joy and freedom, that is our true nature. That's what we really are. And we undertake certain experiences for the purposes of creativity and growth, personal growth and growth of all that is collective growth. And the human experience is a very, very unique, very special, very high, high specialty, high uniqueness high level, I'm looking for extremity type of experience that enables a very unique type of growth, through the contrast of the human experience. So from that state I that this is something that I wanted to do. And I felt very honored, deeply honored that I was given the chance to, you know, to be human.
Brian Smith 4:04
So if I remember correctly, you you encountered a being in that state that inspired you to, to want to become human. Is that correct?
Christian Sundberg 4:13
Yes. Yeah. So, and again, this is so difficult to describe it. Okay. Yeah. So I remember coming across a being long, long ago, like before I had ever been physical, in this type of an experience in this universe. And feeling from this being the incredible quality in nature of this beings. Essence, like who he is who he was, I could feel from him. Because in those reality systems, they're thought responsive, and we're all connected to each other. We can feel the connection, we know that we're all one with each other even as we're individuated to and this Bing was just so full of joy and power and love. And it was amazing. It was breathtaking. And I asked him like, oh my goodness, do you? Do you really feel the depths of I feel you feel. And he shared with me Yes. And he like kind of allowed me to telepathically explore it. And I was like, how did you do that? Like, what could you possibly have done. And he shared with me that he had lived physical lives. And he shared one in particular, in which he had dealt with a very difficult painful health condition that lasted for a number of years. And the way that he chose to meet that experience, and integrate it and shine through it allowed a refinement of his being a deepening and refinement of who He who he was, and who he is, the only way I can describe it, and I was like, I want to do that I want to do that. Just like totally inspired, like, I want to do that. I'll do whatever it takes. And you know, at first he kind of brushed me off like, not negatively, but kind of in a playful way, like, yeah, that's what they all say, like, you don't know how difficult it can be. And I persisted. And I said, No, I want to do that this is something I definitely, I definitely want to do. And he said, well, then go go speak with your guides. So I did that. And I don't have memory right after that. But I remember having lived many times, and then being in a period. So I don't know if you want me to go this far, but not this light before this life. But the life immediately preceding this life, I always in the in between life state. And I remember this guide coming to me over and over again and asking, are you ready to go back yet? Are you ready to go back yet, because I was taking a long break, like I was enjoying the freedom of that state of being. And it's like being on a long holiday or something and being reluctant to go back to work. I don't know, maybe maybe that's a terrible metaphor, because we don't have to do it. It's by choice. We have total freedom, we have total freedom to do this. But it was like he kept reminding me in my own intention, like oh, are you know, you you intend to do this or you want to go back. And eventually I said, Yes, I'm ready to go back. And then reviewing with this guide, what I can only describe as my state, like who I am, who I've been who I was, like the the qualities of experience that I knew, and then I had, I don't want to use the word learned, but come to understand and that they were a part of me, maybe like reviewing virtues, but I don't, I don't want to put it like that. Because it's not like we're just, you know, earning something. It's more like what we've become able to integrate and qualities that we've developed through experience. And I could see there was this one area that was like, very obvious like that it would be beneficial for me to work on that, so to speak. And it was this it was a fear, it was this very specific low vibration fear that had vested me overcome me in a previous experience. And, and because of that fear, and that lifetime, I had turned out to be a very egoic and hurtful person, I caused a lot of damage to others. It's not not true damage. Because you know, we can't actually truly be harmed and the physical, we're, we're mortal spirit, we can actually be harmed, but within the context of the physical, I had caused damage to others because of this ego that had arisen in me in response to the fear. So I knew like, wow, you know, if I could integrate that, if I could heal that fear and really work through that, Oh, that would be incredible. But even from that point of view, I could see like, Oh, my goodness, the extremity of the low vibration of this fear. It was so extreme, I remember asking, can it even be is this even possible? Like has anything ever in all of creation, integrated a vibration that's this low successfully? And I was told yes. And you have all the time available to you to do so there's no hurry. And I just knew, like, if it can be done, I will do it. You know, like, which as the human sounds so strange, because I've been through a lot of trauma and pain and difficulty in this life, that that's what I signed up for. But from that perspective, I, I knew I knew what I am and what we are, you know, we are immortal, powerful beings, we cannot fail, we cannot die, we cannot truly be hurt. We are so that we have so much potential, I don't know how else to describe it so much depth, and wonder and I just knew like, if it can be done, I'll I'll do it. So they brought me a lifetime that was appropriate for that intention. And it wasn't this life, it was an immediately preceding life. And I reviewed that lifetime, and I accepted it. And then I accepted the veil, which is it's just a word. But the veil represents the constraints and consciousness, space and consciousness that go along with the incarnation that it's like, it's like a plummet in the vibration of your being. Down, down, down, down, down, down lower, lower, lower from this place of total connectedness and knowing and freedom down down down into this place of incredible limitation. And like disconnectedness, you feel separate. You know, I feel separate here, we feel separate while we're human. And a place that was very dense, and also like cold, just like empty. So, after the veil had come over me, within seconds, I'm like, I am not doing this, this is this is so low vibration, this is not happening. Like, it's just no way I'm gonna tolerate this for a lifetime. And I reacted and fear, you know, just immediately had so much fear prompted in me because of the vibration of just even being incarnated in this body, not this body. But the one before it was so low that I summoned in my mind, my strength, and I smoked the veil, I fought my way out. And I was successful in doing so because I was back on the other side, but I became aware that by doing that I had killed the fetus, I killed the body that was to be my body. And I had a life review, just like as as described by near death experiences, I could see how my fear had affected not only the poor mother, it was primarily the mother. But not only the mother, but also hundreds of people that the mother would would interact with in her life, that it would make their journeys more difficult all because of the grief that I had heaped onto the mother because of her loss. And I could see it very clearly. And so. So from that side, like it can be seen, everything's okay. Like, there's not like a true failure, everything is just a play. Like, it's okay. It's totally okay. But I also could just see very objectively like, oh, man, I got a lot of fear, I've got a lot of fear, I gotta do something about this. So, so I still had this intention. So they brought me this life sometime later. And I reviewed this life in detail. And this life was good, it wasn't as appropriate as the first one would have been. The first one was like a near perfect match for what I was trying to accomplish and experience. This life wasn't bad. And I remember reviewing this life in incredible detail, like millions and millions of possibilities of what how this life might unfold. It was like reviewing a probability tree, like if you took a tree and laid it on its side and started at the thick part of the trunk, and worked your way out to the branches. It was, it was kind of like that. And the branches are like different avenues that might actualize through the life. And it was an experience of what it would be like to be me in those branches, and you know, there were events in it. But it wasn't primarily about events. It was primarily about what what I would feel and what I would experience. You know, being Christian, the human. And I reviewed it in detail, and I made certain requests for the life. And then I remember there having to be a moment to say yes, and I don't remember that moment, but I remember being in this waiting area. And this being suddenly coming to me my guide, and grabbing my attention like go now like now's the time like Earth time, buddy, that kind of thing. I was like okay, now, you know, because the timeline, the linear time of Earth is such a denser, much more like sludgy, slow defined linear time, and I had to like engage at OSHA or something. So I had next was in this room, that I can only describe as a technicians chamber or a mechanic's shop, something like that, where I was over the shaft that and the earth was below me. And there were these beings in this chamber who were very technical in nature. And they they're like, veil technicians or something. I don't know how to describe that, but they're beings who helped facilitate applying the veil to us specifically, because the veil is very organic and personal and the soul has many specific qualities and the lifetime the body the circumstances has someone thing going on, and they do this thing, or they like, energetically make it all fit. They make it all you know jive.
And I remember them asking me one last time Are you sure? Are you sure you want to do this? Because I knew once I said yes here that I was strapped in for the ride. It's like, like in in a roller coaster. You know, are you once you're strapped in? You can't get out till the ride comes to a complete stop that kind of thing. So I said yes. And then once again, I remember the veil coming over me in this plummet of vibration down, down, down, down, down, lower, lower, lower, lower, lower, oh my gosh, lower still lower, more lower still solo and then being in the body and sending one message back to the technicians did it take like did the veil take and getting one message back? Yes. And I remember actually feeling a sense of accomplishment because even making it to the physical was quite an accomplishment because of the vibrational distance. So then I was there for a while. And, and then eventually I said, You know what, I am not doing this there is no way. Once again, my fear began to rise up. And because I felt like I lost all that I am I lost all my connectedness I lost all my knowledge, I felt like everything that I am, had disappeared, and had been removed. And I rejected it. And I as I began to summon my mind, once again, the most holy moment in my entire physical journey happened. The the Spirit of God came to me, I don't know what words to use, but the great I Am spirit of all things came to me and expanded me back out and I felt the entire universe, the physical universe within me within my body within the body of my being. And I felt the churning of our Sun, Earth, Sun inside me, and the bliss of the sun. And I felt all just incredible amounts of freedom and creativity and power, love and joy. And when God said to me, this is still what you are, you can never not be this. And that call me. I was like, oh, because I had been fighting because I felt like I lost all but I was, you know, and it was like being shown no, you haven't lost, you haven't, you cannot truly lose all that you are. So I surrendered back into the existence of just being in the womb, and it was like, so relieved. And so then I was there for a while. And then it seemed like a long while. And the next moment, I remember as being born. I remember the the shock and the sensation of being born that the the temperature, you know, the cold, the light, the touching, you know, all this extreme experience, but I had no idea what was happening. Like, I had no intellectual context at all. I remember looking up at the nurses and just being like, Who are these beings taking care of me, like, what is going on? And just feeling intensely curious. And I don't remember anything much after that until a few years later, you know, as I began to grow up, I remember drawing upon the flowchart memory, and like trying to anticipate what was going to happen in my life, just for simple, mundane things like, like, who's going to come over tomorrow, or, you know, like, whatever simple thing that I had wanted to know, I would just try to pluck it out of the database and, and sheet, just because I was curious. But that ability diminished quickly, as I aged, you know, especially by the age of four or five, definitely by six or seven, I, you know, the memory left me completely, and I wasn't able to do that anymore. So, yeah, that's a quick summary of the experience. You know, I know that the experience is, is interesting to people, of course, but I think it's far more important that we focus on what, what we really are who we really are. Because that that is the most important message. You know, here we are on our on earth, having this incredibly rich, rigorous, oftentimes, it seems mercilessly rigorous experience where even death can happen. But who we truly are, in that there is absolutely nothing to fear, we cannot lose what we love, we cannot fail. Like, we need to remind each other that even though we're deeply veiled here, and it's intentional, there's a good reason for it. Right? Even though that's true like it, I just feel it's so important to remind each other of what we really are there is just so much freedom in that.
Brian Smith 18:36
Well, the reason Christian why I wanted you to account for that. And the reason why I find it important for my audience and for myself, is that we're here and it's it seems more rigorous for some of us than others. We know my audience is largely people who have lost someone, specifically children, because I work with an organization where 25,000 people or so have lost children. And we often ask ourselves, why are we here? What is the point and when we and when when you say to someone who's gone through that experience? You plan this for yourself? It takes a lot of convincing I know events people that yeah, I would plan something like this. And I your your description is so it makes you really feel that that separation that we have when we come here. Yeah. And that that sense of abandonment, that sense of fear. And I find it really fascinating that you felt that even in the womb before you even came into the world. That that vibration was so much lower.
Christian Sundberg 19:45
I was in the world. I just hadn't been born yet. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So we use the human Yeah. So part of the human state. Sorry, go ahead.
Brian Smith 19:53
Yeah. So I find interesting also, as I as I've explored these ideas, and you know, right Your book and I know you've referenced Tom Campbell's book a lot. And I just finished my big toe, The Theory of Everything. When you say being in the physical, is that because this mean, everything is physical, and really nothing is physical, right? We're the, it's all mental. But this vibration seems to be different.
Christian Sundberg 20:22
Yeah, so the experience of the physical is an experience happening in consciousness. And that's an important thing to focus on it because we tend to believe that the physical is fundamentally real, that there are these objects, there are these rocks, there are these bodies. And we're all separate from each other. And this is, this is what's most real, it's a very, you know, it's very convincing, and it's in it is a real experience. But the forms themselves are not fundamentally real. What's fundamentally real is us the stuff, the stuff of life, spirit itself, the knower of the experience. And so here in the physical, we experience a very, very physical tangible experience, but just as physical or intangible, or even more so of an experience, can and can be and is experienced in other reality systems, like if you go out of body in depends on depends on the type of experience. But if you're having like, you know, what I would call a local astral experience. I'm not big on the terms and the labels, but you haven't experienced like that it's very, very physical, it's so normal, that you can't even tell a difference. You know, it's like, so normal. So and So in those kind of experiences, you realize, oh, my goodness, the physical, you know, I'm experiencing something super physical here, but it's not the same. And very much in higher systems. They're even more real, like the the lucidity and the clarity and the colors and the light, and the connectedness that we feel with each other, and with the environment. It is just so absolutely real, like more even more real than this life, that there is no doubt to the veracity of that type of physicality. So I don't know if that speaks to your question. But
Brian Smith 22:07
it does. Because, again, I think people because we become so attached to this place, and we because we become so we can't remember the other way. Associated with Yeah, exactly. With the body and with the physical. When we think of the other realms, we think of them is kind of ethereal kind of dream. Like I know, they're more thought responsive. But I've had people have been saying to me, Well, if I have something in that, is it real? And if someone says I have a house, is it? Is it a real house? Because my house was a real house, but those houses aren't real?
Christian Sundberg 22:41
And I see. So what is real then? Right? Yeah, what's most real, what's the most real thing is the substance of spirits? So So you could say source God, the ocean, the great ocean of all that is? That is the most real and you are a drop in and of that ocean? You are, you are real, your spirit is real. So like, as a simple metaphor, like, Where did your five year old body go? Well, it's, it's gone. There's no more five year old body, it's, it's, it's it for all intents and purposes, it's dead. Right? It's, it's not here anymore. But you're still here. You the experiencer is still here. And there's not actually a huge distinction between a five year old body, a 60 year old body or a body that has died. It's actually not, there's actually no, there's a seamless, you know, connection between them all because you they experience or remain whether or not your body is a certain age, or the constraints of the body have been relinquished. And when the constraints are relinquished those experiences and those higher systems absolutely can be even more real. It's like, it's like if we walk, watch a black and white television, a small black of what's called a 10 inch black and white television, that's like the earth experience. It's a real, it's real, you're watching a real black and white movie. And then you go into an IMAX theater, you know, and you're seeing the whole thing, and it's colorful, and it's full of sound. And it's all mine. It's it's, it's 100 times more real and rich. It's kind of like that metaphorically. And then you go back into the black and white movie and someone says, Well, how do you know that was real? There's no doubt. You know, when you when you have that personal experience, the black and white movie seems like the less real experience is still real. It's just a much denser and you know, different type of experience.
Brian Smith 24:39
Yeah, and what you're saying lines up with what people have had near death experiences tell us you know, they say we're that experience that that was more real than this is it again, it's kind of hard to describe, I guess a bit trying to like, describe colors, someone who's only ever seen them black and white
Christian Sundberg 24:56
way. Exactly. It is like that very much. You
Brian Smith 25:01
So when you So you had these memories when you came into the world, and then they faded, and then they came back to you later in life as you started your meditation practice, is that correct?
Christian Sundberg 25:13
Yeah. So So I had a very traumatic experience at the age of 22. It was a health related PTSD, creating experience. And I went through years of counseling for that. And in that experience, I had the opportunity to reengage this very, very low vibration fear. And so after I had gone through a long healing process of engaging that trauma and healing it internally, after that, after I had done a lot of that work, I then subsequently took up a meditation practice, originally, because of Tom Campbell, actually, his suggestion, go investigate, just go see what your own consciousness is. I didn't expect anything. I just started and continued because at first I just felt some peace. You know, meditating was peaceful, and it felt good. Yeah, but after a few months, I had my first non physical experience, and it was brief, but it was super eye opening, like, like, super like holy cow, there really is something going on here. And then as I continued in that way, the pre birth memory all the sudden was just there, it was just like, someone had blown leaves off of the ground, and there was the grass like, most normal thing in the world. It's totally normal. And it's like, even when I first mentioned it years later to a couple people, and that's pretty extraordinary as like, I doesn't feel extraordinary at all. It's just one, once your state of awareness is closer to our true nature to that non form associated nature. It becomes natural for those larger portions of ourselves to rise up back to us on their own.
Brian Smith 26:47
Yeah, I was reading Tom Campbell's book, I read your book. And then I read Tom Campbell's book, because I was you referenced him, and I've been wanting to read it for a long time anyway. And yeah, he says, go out and explore your unconsciousness. And that's where I'm kind of stuck. I'm doing meditation. And I'm like, I'm not having these experiences. So with you, they were you didn't seem to have the antibody experience. You were just doing the meditation practice,
Christian Sundberg 27:12
correct? That's right. Okay. Yeah, I didn't expect anything. And actually having no expectation, I feel is very important. Because if you're sitting down thinking, Okay, I'm gonna, my intention is to go have an out of body experience, then that's your intention as you're seeking. So your intention is what the universe is listening to what your body is listening to, okay, actual intention. And so having the intention of actually moving towards your own awareness itself, beneath all form, and beneath all expectation, beneath all thought, all thought, just to experience what your consciousness itself is, that is a word usage is limited here. But you could say like a pure intent, to just go back towards full alertness, full openness, not making anything up full objectivity, full openness and acceptance of the present moment. And then what's interesting is not because you're trying, but once you have full openness, full clarity, full acceptance, you are no longer looking at the form, even though you don't, you know, you don't necessarily know that that was your initial intention, you're just no longer associated with thinking associated with the senses of the body, you're just alert and alive. And when that happens, like I said, these other portions of yourself that are already on the other side of the veil right now, they might they might bubble up because you've simply put down the objects that you aren't like, you aren't your thoughts, you aren't your body. Right. Yeah.
Brian Smith 28:42
So it's a question that you know, a lot of people have, and they've asked me this question, and I want to put it to you is like, okay, so if we're these and I people have used the word for me part with me perfect. If we're these perfect beings on the other side, then why do we have to come here to improve ourselves?
Christian Sundberg 28:59
Yeah. So there is okay. So first of all, it's not have to, it's choose to the there are two simultaneous truths of the nature of our nature. That sounds contradictory. Here in duality, right now we're in duality. So we like to think it's black or white. It's up or down. It's perfect or not perfect. Which one is it? Right, exactly. But that's not a fun that's not an accurate way to approach it. Because duality itself is non fundamental. It's a it's an experience of a certain definition. Our true being is itself, the substance of being itself is already perfect. There is nothing required of it. There's no there's nothing needed. There is no need to justify or to prove yourself worthy or to be anything. Because you are already intrinsically worthy. You're already intrinsically a part of God the ocean. It's beautiful. Okay, so but then that perfection and chooses to engage manifest creation for the purposes of the refinement of being further refinement. And I know that sounds like already a contradiction in duality, but it's not, you could say, the water of the ocean itself is perfect. But the water decides chooses to go through a process of refinement in order to expand the depths, and the heights of what it is. So to expand all that is, you could say that contrast itself is a tool, you know, like, we engage the lowest, most difficult depths of, of darkness and integrate them, so as to expand the heights of joy in into measure, they say. So it's like the contrast is not greater than we are where we are. We precede the contrast. But we utilize the contrast in order to refine the depths of what we forever are, and a short, relatively short human journey, even though it's very dense and potentially rigorous. A relatively short human journey is worth the price to the being who chooses to come and engage this very rich contrast. Now, now that we're here, you know, like, hey, everyone listening today, we made it, you know, like, we're in the human condition, right? Now, we know how hard it can be holy cow, the state of separation, it can be no joke, you know, this is a, this is the if you want to draw spectrum of duality here. And again, duality itself is not fundamental. But if you want to draw a line between unity and separation, we have gone all the way out to the most separate type of experience that has yet been created. The deepest, you know, the veil that permits such a deep sense of separation. And that depth of separation is alien, actually, to the Spirit. We're not like our native state is connected. And we know and feel that connection with each other and with all things all the time to be human and to actually experience being separate from everyone else and alone. That is a very unusual state of being and it can it can prompt fear, that in that contrast, is the opportunity. Yeah,
Brian Smith 32:13
yeah, I like I love the way you put that. And I think a lot of us can relate to that. Because it's, it's kind of it's interesting how we come here, we experienced this separation, we experienced the fear. And I remember being a child and thinking, what kind of a crazy world I think all of us have had, at some point. You know, I was I grew up in the 60s, I remember the television, the Vietnam War, and you know, race riots and stuff. And I'm like, this world is this world is nuts. Right? But then we kind of we fall into it, but then we're always seeking that, that connection. Again, I think while we're here, we get homesick.
Christian Sundberg 32:52
Oh, yes, absolutely. We're always all seeking that connection all the time, you could say that we're all seeking. To put it bluntly, we're all seeking God all the time. We try to fill that hole with everything we can, you know, we try to plug into substances or relationships or you know, experiences of some kind or identity or, you know, money or whatever, you know, we were always the ego is always trying to grasp, fill the hole, fill the hole, you know, but that's, that's because of that state of separation that now we know something dear, is missing. And too often we don't look inward to not just inward because inward makes it sound like it's not to something real to the aliveness that we are to the nature of consciousness itself. We, we forget to look deeply there. Because in that that connectedness is real right now. Like we are connected to those we love and to all that is right now, even though we're this deeply engaged in an experience of separation.
Brian Smith 33:59
Yeah. Well, we're connected on some level that we're typically not aware of while we're here.
Christian Sundberg 34:05
Correct. But but we are actually already there. This is a this is an important point, because it makes it sound like Well, it's, it's not. I mean, because we often think, oh, it's not real. I mean, come on. It's not real. I don't see it. I don't feel it. You know, so it doesn't count. I feel it's important to point towards the realness of it like, and I know it's darn frustrating until we feel that connection. Sure. I don't, I'm not making light of that. But I do feel it's worthwhile to point out that by investigating your own awareness itself, with let go of all this form, associations, all the thoughts, all the pains, all the story, put the whole story down to all the trappings of identity, just put it down and just be fully alert with who you are. That connectedness is already there. And sometimes like we discussed earlier, you may reach a point Where something arises. And I could even describe it as like an inversion point perhaps where all the sudden that aliveness of your body can like, lip, I don't know, like inside out or something, and you feel the connectedness. It never went anywhere.
Brian Smith 35:16
Yeah, I think, for me, I use analogies. And I think there's a lot of good analogies in Hollywood. Like the movie, The Matrix, you know how that that reality, when you're in it, it feels real, but it's not the ultimate reality avatar, they are in the lab, there's a movie called Total Recall, you know, where you have memories of planets. So those are, those are things that kind of work. For me, it's like, we're experiencing this, but we're not really here. Because it's not really, ultimately real.
Christian Sundberg 35:47
That's true. It's like, metaphorically, like, we fallen asleep and having to have the dream of Earth. And that is like The Matrix. You know, I like in the matrix when Neo is first in the White Room with a couch, you know, when he's feeling the couch, and he says, This isn't real. Yeah, well, that's how it is with, you know, the objects in our world. This isn't always a real experience, you are really having the experience you're having right now. It's not that the experience isn't real. But truly, we do transcend the experience. We've just come very deep into the matrix. And there really is a higher realm for sure.
Brian Smith 36:22
So when you there's a couple other things that are people see as black or white, you know, another one is predestination versus free will. So people talk about soul plans, and you talked about being able to see your life. But there seems to be an element of freewill as well. So how did those two interplay with each other? Yeah.
Christian Sundberg 36:42
Okay, so the, the flowchart that I reviewed, was a probability tree, not a predestined script. And the thing that determined which branch of the probability tree actualized was freewill, my choice making and the choice making everybody else. It's just at the system as it put in Tom Campbell's terms, the system has all the data. So it knows really well it knows you really well and knows me really well and knows all the billions of players super well. And then it is running the simulation. So it's very good at predicting, likely outcome. But novelty still happens, because freewill is still running. We all are making choices every day. And sometimes we make choices that may have been less likely in the past, but now they're being actualized. And that may affect someone else in a way that was unanticipated. So you could say that the system is very good at predicting outcome, but freewill absolutely always, always occurs, it's just free will within the context. Like when I say free, well, I don't mean that the freedom to make any choice anywhere, like I can't decide to go to Jupiter right now. I mean, Free Will within the constraints of the context, you are free to choose whatever you can identify, that's a big part of it. Because a lot of us have a lot of choices we can't consciously identify, right, you're free to choose anything, you can identify in anything that the rule set, another Tom Campbell turn of the physical reality permits.
Brian Smith 38:08
Yeah, and there's even you know, when we think about this, even from our human perspective, we know each other kind of right. And I know certain things that my wife is more likely to do and less likely to do, just from having known her for a few years, not even being able to be inside of her head. So you can imagine that if you did have all the data, you could make some really, really good guesses. And even within myself, I mean, there are certain things that I am free to do, technically, but I would never do. Yeah, so
Christian Sundberg 38:39
there's exactly, yeah, there's one other element to that, which is worth mentioning. And that is that there are this is hard to describe. They're energetic areas of the play that transpire. So you could say themes for the whole play. So the whole play is going through a theme through a maturity process, and all the players actually know that theme. And so because that's the theme of of the Act, that plays a significant part also what's going to happen, what is likely to happen or less likely to happen. So like right now, you know, we're in a period of the play, you could call the awakening that is that we're trying to process all sorts of old, very dense fear based garbage in the collective consciousness and to grow and to awaken. And that process is happening. And we're trying to do a lot in a relatively short amount of time. And from that side, pre birth, I just, I just knew like, okay, you know, this is just the period that this is, um, it's very exciting, like, super exciting to be on earth during this time and a profound honor to have the opportunity to be on earth at this time. But anyway, I'm just saying that that act of the play is is known to and that has like an energetic it like it affects the temperature of the water, you could say something.
Brian Smith 39:57
Yeah, so that's a that's a rule. Good point, because I do feel like and I guess lots of generations have said this in the past. But you know, Tom Campbell talks about in his book about how, you know, we invented one way to kill off the whole planet. Now we've invented several ways. So we are at a point where we have to grow up really quickly. Do you think that, that the souls are here now said, hey, yeah, I'll go in, and I'll play my part in this really important time?
Christian Sundberg 40:23
Yes, everyone who's here has chosen to come. I mean, I mean, I won't speak for anybody else. But from what I experienced, I feel very confident that yes, we all choose it because the soul itself is sovereign, right? It's a part of the ocean, there is no greater power than then God, of which we were a part, you could say you're, you're like a fragment of God. So the only way that you can be veiled and restricted is to self surrender, there's no other way. So anyway, so I'm just pointing that out, because everyone who participates has had to self surrender at some point, in order to engage this, this point in the context. Okay, so but then more specifically, to your questions, speaking to the era of the play, yes, I do think many individuals have chosen to come now in order to help. I think there are a lot of beings who are more loving, or sensitive or wise or carrying in certain ways. And just there being just them being here alters the temperature of the water, you know, because it's, you think of the human human race is like a collective consciousness, like a pond within the ocean. That pond is comprised of only so many people, beings, and those beings are each contributing something vibrationally to the temperature of the water in the pond. So I do feel that higher vibrational beings, more evolved beings do choose to come to help to assist bring that temperature up, because if the temperature raises, it kind of prompts everybody to face their own crap. You know, because the temperature is getting higher now. So now it's like, okay, now you're less resonant with the super low vibration, older stuff. And it has to come up to the surface to be phased in processed. And we've seen a lot of that in our world in the last couple decades, probably.
Brian Smith 42:07
Yeah. Yeah. That's a great point. I also want to ask you about, you know, get people who have near death experiences and you talk about a lot to how we are infinitely love beyond what we can possibly understand. Yeah, but I know some, some people have gone and said, Well, God is kinda like, impersonal gods, just a force. So what's, what's this thing about love? And where does that come from?
Christian Sundberg 42:34
Oh, it's, it's both. It's it's absolutely personal, very specific to you. And also the very substance of reality itself, in which you could call impersonal. You could say that this the stuff of spirit that is beyond description is love. It's synonymous with love. It's, it's our true nature to that love that freedom, that joy is the substance of being. It's the it's the very what and why, of all things that there is no greater like, it's just one, you know, we use one word, when I say love, I don't just mean just the emotion that we associate with love, though, that is a profound portion of it. I mean, something that's beyond all description, a, an adoration, and an a value, and a celebration of each life, each moment, each, each one of us, every molecule of our body, and every portion of our being, it's a celebration that is incredibly wise and totally unconditional, but like there is nothing you could do. Nothing you could do that would separate you from that, that love or make it you know, less. That's not how it works. So I don't know what else I can say about is like that, that is the nature so so at least I can reiterate. Yes. If we're gonna put it in, in colloquial religious terms, God loves you, specifically you like it. You can call it something else. I mean, I'm not sensitive to the terminology.
Brian Smith 44:12
I think it's really interesting. I love the way you explain it. Because we do think of love as conditional for the most part. I mean, we, I think the closest thing we have to unconditional love would be our children. Yes. I think once you have a child and for me anyway, that's like, that's when I first understood unconditional love. It's like I will love this being no matter what. But to say it's unconditional and God loves everybody. And it's also loves you uniquely. And specifically, I think that's what people have trouble wrapping their heads around.
Christian Sundberg 44:45
Oh, it's very much both and it's used specifically is a really, really key part of it. Each one of us is like, Oh, I wish I could communicate this. Like an absolutely irreplaceable fragment. don't have all that is precious beyond all all the riches of the world. irreplaceable, every one of us, I just I don't know how to possibly articulate that. But when we reach those states, we we know it and we feel it. And it's it's breathtaking. You know, it's it's a type of love that on Earth we very rarely get real glimmers of it, it's so many matte magnitudes beyond what we commonly experience on earth that it seems so foreign to us to see. But that's the that's the nature of this experience, though, you know, we've come into a place where we are veiled from it, and we feel so separate, and it makes us feel so alone. And it's like being in the cold. Like, I like the the metaphor of being up on Mount Everest, you know, or climbing a big tall mountain. And we get here and we're like, oh my gosh, it's cold. There's no air up here. I can't breathe. Yes, that's That's right. That's That's how Mount Everest is. But the question isn't whether or not it's cold. The question is, what do you do with it now? How do you respond? How do you meet Mount Everest? What meaning do you put on Mount Everest? How do you allow your love that came with you? And is you? How do you allow it to shine on Mount Everest? How do you meet the cold? You know?
Brian Smith 46:22
Yeah, yes. So it's well put. And you know, it's interesting. We all ask this question, why am I here? And some people say we come to learn. And again, the question, well, if I know everything that what am I here to learn? Some people say we come here for the experience. And I was talking with a guy once and he said, we we throw all those we also we have come here to have that feeling of abandonment. To know what that feels like to know what it feels like to be separate. That's actually part of the plan.
Christian Sundberg 46:49
Yes, that's true. So the learning we do is not experience is not intellectual. It's experience. It's experiential learning. So it's, it's a learning of the being with a capital B, by being something with a lowercase b. So, so the only way to actually no, you know, some experience is to actually be the person who experiences like you have to actually be you. All the way all the way. Man, you gotta go all the way in. Yeah, want to really know separation than you really need to know separation. There's no and spirits very good at that. Sorry.
Brian Smith 47:24
Yeah, no, that's great. No, I think that's where we get confused. Because we think of an electoral knowledge. And people will say things like, Well, God is omniscient. And if we're omniscient beings, then then what is there to learn. But what I've come to realize, as you said, is, you can only know what it's like to be something. If you're that you can only know what it's like to be cold. If you're cold, you can only know what it's like to be hungry, if you're hungry.
Christian Sundberg 47:50
Yeah, exactly. So just a very simple example. So like, when I was a kid, I went to church camp. And I remember that there was a trust fall exercise, and I had a lot of fear. I didn't want to let go and fall into the arms of a bunch of strangers. So the act of standing up on that log, and being prepared to fall backwards into the arms of the strangers. Is that a moment of intellectual learning? No, it's a moment of, of quality of intent. That's a Tom Campbell term. In other words, I had to choose to overcome my fear. And to let go. Now, interestingly, in this short story, this is just a personal part of this story. I fell backwards and they dropped me. After I finally got up the nerve, and the counselor look mortified that they had not, you know, proven that trust that they can be trusted in that moment. I remember staring up with the wind knocked out of me, like hurting my whole body and going like, Oh, my God, but you know what, I survived? And, you know, I, and it's just like, how else can the being have that experience? It sounds like a simple experience. I won't forget that experience. You know, that experience is simple. But how else can you know what it's like to not be caught? How else can you know what it's like to have to build up the courage and fall backwards? Or all the things that we do in life? You know, how do you respond when someone's driving on the road and they flick you off? Okay, so that triggers something and how do you respond? How else can you know who you see? Because when we have a life review, our constraints are fully recognized. It's all seen all the limitations, all the pain we've ever known. It's all seen. It's all understood. It's totally understood, like 100% 1,000% Understood. But then, who are you in that context? And then you learn about yourself, you see, because then you see oh, I really am the person who responded in anger when someone gave me anger. Hmm, why? You see and then we can learn and grow from that. Where else can you do that except in a circumstance in which you don't know you're connected to that person and that they're your loving brother or sister and they're reflecting you off? You know, like, anyway, it's a simple it's a silly example. But
Brian Smith 50:03
no, it's it's actually a great example. Because, again, when we when people first encountered these concepts, you know, there's there's that pushback like, well, the other thing is, this is too much. If I were setting up this lab, children wouldn't get cancer. Yes, no one would have chronic illnesses. I mean, that why would I make it? Why would it make it so hard?
Christian Sundberg 50:25
Yes, no, absolutely. I don't make light of that. So I just want to make a couple of comments. First of all, when we are pre life, at least in my case, I can say pre life, trying to decide what what to engage, we know that the more contrast, the greater the opportunity. So it's often us who say, Give me it all, I want to do it all I want to have this, I want to do the hard thing here. I want to stack up make the sandwich nice and thick, you know. And then the guides are often the ones that say, that's more than you can bite off. You can't chew that much sandwich. You know, that's too much. That won't be helpful. Like there's a there's an optimal amount of sandwich here. Yeah, I'm being a little silly, but, but it's us who say, I want to do it all, you know, sometimes not always, but many times it's our desire to expand and that you measure that that, you know, allows us to, to ask for that. Okay, the other thing I want to point out, though, is that, okay, for all the extremity, and I'm not trying to make light of or justify, I am not justifying all the horrors that occur, that all the ways we traumatize each other every day. But the depth of spirit is greater, deeper than the most deep contrast that can possibly arise on earth. Like who we are, is more powerful, more full of life than anything that could possibly like I mean, I know to the human ego that rejects the experience and that and that raises its mighty righteous fist. That's hard. It's a very hard pill to swallow. But I'm just pointing out that it's our own uninvolved oneness, that our own evolve. And this is why we experienced so much fear. And it's the fear that hurts, it's our rejection that hurts. It's the, the negative meaning that we put on all the pain we've, we've been served, that hurts. Once we drop all that rejection and fully feel even the deepest self sorrow and pain, if we fully fully feel that we can process it and integrate it in vanishes, because consciousness is deeper than at all. It's our rejection, that hurts.
Brian Smith 52:40
Yeah, and you know, and we've seen that in people that have gone through just things that some of us can't even imagine, I've interviewed several Hmong on my program, and you see them overcome those things. So what I hear you saying is, the human spirit is mightier than all the all the crap that we can't even imagine that place in this in this earth,
Christian Sundberg 53:03
and it doesn't even need to be qualified as a human spirit, your spirit, you Yeah, are deeper than all that then all the crap. And then I 1/3 comment that I'll make is that sometimes there are outcomes that happen due to tragedy on Earth that we couldn't have foreseen that might be valuable in some way. So sometimes there is meaning that is invisible to us. And that's important to recognize as well, because the human ego can't can't see that, like, what comes to mind is when I was around 25, or 26, I think it was 26. I forget the exact year, but so my father had a second family and he and his wife had had, you know, some children together. And they had a son named Jack, my brother, my half brother, and he ended up passing away from brain cancer. So watching a three year old go through the dying process, and die is just about one of the worst things that that can be experienced. I mean, it's, it's horrifying. Okay, so I don't know what Jack signed up for pre life. But I do have a strong intuitive sense that that journey, that that that was a journey that he agreed to undertake, for some reason, some benefit to someone around him, and I won't go into detail on it. That that's their human ego, I'm sure is, oh, that's a big no, like, there's no way that that could have had any value, but to the immortal spirit that cannot truly be harmed. This, this short walk, the name of my book is a walk in the physical, the short walk outside into the physical world. It's an opportunity, it's a journey, you know, it's a chance to experience even incredible rigors that otherwise we could not and to know ourselves in ways that we could not have known ourselves before. It's very important that we remember that. And then finally, this is so so key, that love that we develop with each other even in a relatively short relationship that love remains like We are love. So we can't lose those that physically die that we're close to, we cannot lose them that love is a powerful living bridge right now. Yeah, the body may pass, it's like taking off a shirt. Like you take off a shirt and throw it on the floor and it's not really a big deal. You're still you that person is still them. It's just now we can't physically see them. So, so we mourn, and we we mourn the physical sensation, the touch, we mourn the interaction, but the living connection remains, it can't possibly die. I've heard it described by some, like, on the other side, it's like they hear our loving thoughts, like a chime on the wind, I think is something that silverbirch wrote, that's a guide that I love, like a chime on the wind that they can follow back to us, like I love that. And that connection is, is always there, I just think it's really important to, to lift up because we because on Earth change is so darn final. It's like, it's so mercilessly final. But the spirit is, is more than that. And that connection can't actually be lost.
Brian Smith 56:06
I'm glad you brought that up. I have friends who have lost children to cancer. I and someone I met not too long ago, her son was born with a congenital birth thing that he just passed a couple of days ago with the age of 14, and was never able ever able to speak or walk. But that family, you know, just getting to know them a little bit. I've gotten to know them, that child brought so much joy to their lives and change their lives so much you know them and like he talked about the ripple effect of you just coming into the womb imagine a child coming in and spending three or 415 years here, yes, ripples that they send out. It's just so we look at the pain, but it seems like it's all redeemed at some level.
Christian Sundberg 56:56
Oh, yes, there's, there is no pain that spirit doesn't ultimately use for the better. You know, the system is very efficient. And love is very wise. And so I'm not making light of the finality of those losses, I know I'm not making light of that. It's just that the love that we are is deeper. And I really think that's important to remember, in the midst of all this. Yeah, we've all lost, you know, everyone here is human man. We all go through the wringer and some more than others. But the it's not just and it's not a one off thing. It's not just how we affect each other physically, in those three years, or five years or 14 years or one week in the womb. There is an energetic reality that is happening. Our, our mere presence on the earth, the even the very thoughts that we issue, even the very love that we that we express and give birth through through each other that it's valuable. It has a reality to it in higher systems that can be seen and felt it's like, it's so creative and so powerful. So there can be incredible bounty that comes from life that may be short in a physical sense, that we cannot physically see that will last far past the end of this play.
Brian Smith 58:14
You just touched on something I want to talk about a little bit because Tom Campbell talks about this a little bit of wanting to get your thoughts on the interaction between the next realm or the higher level of I don't like the term higher, but that next realm in our realm, how much interaction is there? You know, either way, both ways.
Christian Sundberg 58:31
Yeah, there's a lot of interaction, it's just, it's just that our reality is very dense, very dense. So it's very slow, by comparison to change. In our thoughts, even our very thoughts are very crude and clunky and slow by comparison to the speed of thought and interaction that occurs in higher systems. But anyway, they do interact all the time, you could say that the physic the physical is subsequent to the non physical, like is maybe like saying on a computer server, as a bad metaphor, but like, you know, what's the relationship between the game world and the game server? Well, there can't be a world can't be a game world without, without the computer that's running it. And in Campbell's metaphor, he actually has an acronym for that computer, he calls it TVC Living Computer, right. And TVC is a portion in consciousness that is giving rise to the simulation. I think that's an OK way to put it back. And so when I say higher, I don't mean higher isn't better. More, I mean, higher only as in vibrational, you can feel the difference, you know, when you engage those higher preceding more fundamental systems, and they do interact all the time.
Brian Smith 59:40
And this goes back to I want to just go back to the the freewill versus predetermination thing. I just rewatched the movie because Tom Campbell's book reminded me of it The Adjustment Bureau remember that movie? Yeah, cuz I thought because I'm like, I'm trying. I'm trying to reconcile these things, right. So some people say it's all predetermined. When people say it's free will, and there, there seems to be an overarching plan. And then there's, there's these beings that are like, let's get back
Christian Sundberg 1:00:06
on track. Yes. You know what's awesome about that movies in the last scene when they're up. I don't mean to spoil this spoiler, I'm about to spoil the ending of the movie for anybody who hasn't seen this movie yet. At the end of the movie, when they're up on the rooftop, and they have an interaction with God, basically, God changes the entire plan of the universe for their love. Yeah. And then the Adjustment Bureau no longer has anything to follow through on. So I like that. I like to I like that ending. Because that is very helpful to help understand the depth of the unconditional love that exists for us. And it is our ability to make choices here. That's one of the things that makes this such a rich and powerful opportunity is is precisely in that we have freewill to make choices that may not be according to plan.
Brian Smith 1:00:59
Yeah, and I think it's really important. Good for people coming out of a background where it's like, Okay, God put me here. It's God's plan. For my where I'm understanding, it's more of an interactive thing. It's like we agree, and we work out the plan together with ourselves or teams or guides, whoever,
Christian Sundberg 1:01:19
yes, I like to say metaphorically, it's like, we've gone in the backyard. And we're playing in the cold mud. You know, and God is still there in the kitchen watching over, it's not really a big deal that we're out playing in the mud, we're the ones who decided to come out and play in the mud. What with a lot of helps, and with a lot of guidance, you know, this is a very efficient process that we're engaged in. And it's a process that very much transcends the the limitations of one one lifetime, let alone one year one day, I mean, we're, we are immortal beings. So the opportunity to engage 100 year lifetime or less, to really develop and grow and learn in some way. That is a profound gift, actually. And yeah, so we are we are helped from the non physical. In fact, I think that there are more non physical beings involved in our physical simulation, then there are even physical players in the game, helping us all the time providing nudges and providing guidance in whatever small way they can, while also maintaining the veracity of the simulation. That's important.
Brian Smith 1:02:28
Yeah, yeah. Well, I want to talk because there's something that you had said, and in your book and let people know your book, it's great. It's like it's, it's a series of very short, very to the point essays, that, that that tie together and your reference each reference, so it's a different from any book I've ever I've ever read. But one of the things you talked about you say, our joy, our destination is our joy. So explain what you mean by that.
Christian Sundberg 1:02:59
I had to say joy is our true nature. It is the substance of what we are and it's our it's our birthright, it's what is it's a heartless, you could say that when we are our true selves, there is incredible amounts of joy. Joy is like it's synonymous with love. And it's synonymous with the natural trait of what we are. And I don't know how else to describe I don't know if trade is the right word. It's an it's, it's synonymous with the nature of being. So no matter how far we venture into limitation, no matter how deep we get into the characters, we can't help but be our true nature. So one way or another, we will end up back in total joy and total freedom and total bliss and total unconditional love. That is the truth. There's, you may go for a lifetime, you may go, you may go within a lifetime on other journeys, you may go and have some side journey, whatever. No matter how deep your your adventure, it is always natural to return home to who you really are to take off the backpack, put it down, come back from the forest and say, Wow, I just had a very long crazy journey put down the backpack, you return home. And and you know, Oh, joy is what I am. Maybe next time I'll go climb a mountain. But it's up to you. You don't have to go climb a mountain, you can decide what you want to do. You're free.
Brian Smith 1:04:29
Yeah, I really wanted to make sure we got that point across. I think I said it wrong. It's like joy, your your destination is joy, that we are all because you know there are there are some people that believe that you know we can become eternally lost we can become you know, we can go too far away, you know, we can lose the light. So how would you respond to that? Yeah, so
Christian Sundberg 1:04:51
there are hellish experiences that happen both on Earth and in thought responsive reality systems. What I mean is when we have fear as hell can say that. And so when we have fear, that is when we have rejection, when we have all the, all the the see fear gives rise to many all the many patterns of the ego, you know, anger, jealousy, all, you know all the things that we try to grab onto when we associate deeply with that, and it all boils down to fear. So when we have fear that we have not yet processed, it can be a hellish experience, whether on earth, or whether we find ourselves in a thought responsive reality that is reacting to our fear and that we're giving rise to so we could potentially create a non fundamentally real hellish experience without even being aware of it. However, importantly, all experiences of form, all of them are non fundamental, they're transitory, they're temporary at all form is temporary. The five year old body that was you is gone, is temporary, this experience will pass and even a subsequent experience of potentially great fear whether in this or another reality system, it too will pass because they are all manifestations of our journey into contrast, whether it be in this physical reality or another. They're all sojourns. And we always return from those sojourns. And like I said, use that contrast for the expansion of what is real and what is lasting what is true. It is not possible to be eternally separated from the light or something No, no, the experience of separation, we're already at the extreme point right now, like this is it we're here. And then But see, now that we're here, we have a lot of fear, because this is a crazy alien state. So now we spin all sorts of terrifying stories. We've even created beliefs like you can be eternally damned and burn in hell forever. You know, we, because we're fearful. So we come up with that stuff. We enshrine it in our religions, we use it to maybe I mean, I'm not trying to generalize, it's been enshrined in the past in certain religious traditions. And then that belief might be used to cause more fear to be used in control, whatever, that's all fear. That whole fear orgy is not fundamental to what we are. It's all a journey. It's all a sojourn. And no matter what, one way or another, we will end up back to the wholeness and the truth, the true love and the joy and the freedom of what we really are. We're actually there right now. It's just that we're so far vibrationally, deep in association with this limitation, that we don't feel it. That's a key distinction, because I think a lot of people think, Oh, I'm trapped in the physical. I'm trapped in this world. I'm not really there. I'm trapped, I'm trapped. I'm trapped. I'm trapped. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. It's precisely the association with those negative interpretations, that fear, that is the separator, that's the vibrational separator. We can let that go all the way and find we never left. You never left freedom and the joy of your being. So you'll often hear experiences where people may find themselves in like a hellish environment until they cry out or until they focus upward, as you say, and then all of a sudden, there is a great connection, maybe a beam will calm or they'll fall or they'll see the light or something or whatever, I'm not going to try to, you know, judge or label. I'm just saying that, that, that wholeness and that love and that peace and that joy, that is the true nature that was always there. So as soon as we change our focus back to it, of course, there is a response, our focus, always our focus, and our intention always has an effect. I think that's a key point. I know I've gone on for a long time and covered a lot of different topics, but I just want to highlight this one last thing, then our intention is our primary power. What we're intending the quality of our intention is the primary question at hand. Are we making a choice? So intention is first and it reflects through choice making? Are we making a choice that's based in love? Or based in fear? That's always the primary? I mean, of course, there are 1000s of facets to that choice. I'm not sure I'm not saying it's a simple choice. But at the root of it. It's are you making Are you meeting this moment? Whatever's happening, whether it be this reality or another system, how are you meeting this moment with love or fear and then if you choose love you and all the things that love meets, you will naturally vibrationally instantly move closer to who you already really are. It's kind of like if you go and look at a beautiful sunset. And for a minute you just drop all your crap. And you just you just enjoy the beauty of the sunset. Maybe you remember some love that you know, and you feel for just that glimmer of a moment you feel. Ah, you feel that connectedness you never went anywhere. It's just that you changed your focus you changed your allowing to recognize the beauty that is being expressed to you and and allow it vibrationally immediately returns you closer us step closer to that connectedness state, you're never lost.
Brian Smith 1:10:03
Awesome, awesome. I think that's a great way to to end our conversation that question, I want to thank you so much for being here. And for what you do. I know you're very busy. And I know this is you got a lot of children and everything. You're very free with your book. So tell people where they can find out about your book where they can get it.
Christian Sundberg 1:10:24
Yeah, sure. So at the beginning, you said that the book can be downloaded, it can't actually be downloaded for free, but it is available to be read for free online. If you just go to my website, a walk in the physical.com. There's a book page. The third link down is a link to Google Books, where the whole book is available for free just click Read for free or something, I forget the button. But it's all there. It's also available on Amazon, in print or Kindle version. And the audiobook is also available on Audible, those are all for purchase. But I did record the audio book, I guess, a year before last December. So yes, all those all those forms are out there. I think it's it's not about the money, I just want people to be reminded of who we really are. No, like, I just if you feel intuitively that can help, please, you know, feel free to read the book. And if not, that's totally fine, too. If you'd like to email me, I try to make myself available. I've got a lot of emails lately. So I apologize if I can't respond. But the information for all that is on my website, a walk in the physical.com. I also have a bunch of other talks that I've shared there, as well. As the last thing I'll say is I just want to say to everybody who's listening today, please be reminded you are a loving, powerful, immortal, multi dimensional being you really are. And there is absolutely nothing to fear in this life. Whatever you're dealing with whatever the hardship in your life is right now, please be reminded of who you really are, and know that you you are deep and powerful, and loft are so loved, that there is nothing to truly fear. I just I just feel like we need. That's the most important message we can share with each other
Brian Smith 1:12:02
100% I again, I am so honored that you're here today. Thank you for what you do. I do want to I know for you. It's not about the money. It's it's about the message for me. And I've read a few books that have really, really, like changed my way of thinking. Yours is one of them listening to the interviews with you. So I want to thank you for what you do.
Christian Sundberg 1:12:24
Thank you so much, Brian. I appreciate I appreciate you having me on. Thank you.
Brian Smith 1:12:27
All right, enjoy your evening. Thank you. I'm excited to not I have a great new resource. It's called gems, four steps to move from grief to joy. And what it is it's four things that I've found that I do on a daily basis to help me to navigate my grief. And I'm offering it to you free of charge. It's a free download. Just go to my website, www dot grief to growth.com/gems G m s and grab it there for free. I hope you enjoy it.
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