Kelvin Chin- A Brief History Of Spirituality Over The Last 7,000 Years

Kelvin  Chin is Executive Director & Founder of the “Turning Within” Meditation and Overcoming the Fear of Death Foundations and is an internationally-recognized meditation teacher featured in Business Insider, Newsweek, and Kaiser Health News, and has taught meditation at West Point and in the U.S. Army, including on the DMZ in Korea. Kelvin has been meditating for 50 years, has taught meditation for 49 years to thousands of people in over 60 countries, and his past life memories reach back 6,000 years. He graduated from Dartmouth, Yale, and Boston College Law and has lived in 7 countries.

Kelvin also organized the 30th November event held in Alexandria, Virginia, in 2014, where a talk was given by George Hammond, who gave the history of spirituality on Earth in the Judeo-Christian-Islamic-Vedic traditions over the past 10,000 years, as shared in quite some detail with him by the founders of those traditions -- who are all now on the Other Side.

We discussed how that event came about and what topics were covered in that talk -- so a sort of preview today of the 30th November talk -- so that you will have a better idea of what it is about before you all go to that website and listen to it yourselves.

Also, on Wednesday, 30th November 2022, this year at 12 Noon Pacific (3 Eastern), Kelvin will conduct a Q&A worldwide for all who have watched that talk over the past 8 years.

Key links:
www.30thnovember.com
www.kelvinchin.org

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Transcript

Brian Smith  0:00  
Close your eyes and imagine

Kelvin Chin  3:00  
Great to see you again. As always, Brian, thanks for having me. Yeah, it's always good to see you. So I tell people about the 30th November. Yeah, so

Brian Smith  0:03  
what are the things in life the causes the greatest pain, the things that bring us grief, or challenges, challenges designed to help us grow to ultimately become what we were always meant to be. We feel like we've been buried. But what if like a seed we've been planted and having been planted, who grow to become a mighty tree. Now, open your eyes, open your eyes to this way of viewing life. Come with me as we explore your true, infinite, eternal nature. This is grief to growth. And I am your host, Brian Smith. Everybody this is Brian back with another episode of grief to growth. And today's a special episode I've got with him back friend Kelvin Chen. And if you listen to the show before, you might have heard Kelvin, he's been on a couple of times. He's got a lot of great stuff to say. I'm gonna read his bio, then we're gonna talk about the event that he's here to talk about today. So he's an author and an afterlife expert. His first book is called overcoming the fear of death for each of the four main belief systems. And it's a non religious approach to overcoming the fear of death. And his new book Marcus Aurelius updated the 21st century meditations on living life. It's a collection of 67 essays ranging from motions, life principles, meditation and the spiritual. I've read his first book, and I just started a second book. They're both fantastic. Calvin is the executive director, and he is the founder of turning within meditation, and overcoming the fear of death foundations. He's an internationally recognized meditation teacher, featured in Business Insider, Newsweek, Kaiser Health News. And he's taught meditation at West Point and in US Army, including in the DMZ and Korea. He's been meditating for 50 years, he's taught meditation for 49 years, to 1000s of people in over 60 countries. And his past life memories reached back 6000 years. He's a graduate of Dartmouth, Yale and Boston College Law. And he's lived in seven countries. Kelvin also organized the 30th November event held in Alexandria, Virginia in 2014, where a talk was given by George Hammond who gave the history of spirituality and earth in the Judeo Christian Islamic Vedic traditions over the past 10,000 years. I know that's a lot. That's what we'll be talking about today. And he's got and he's that talk was as shared in quite some detail with them by the founders of those traditions, who are now on the other side. So today, Kevin's are Kelvin will be discussing how that talk came about. And what was covered in that talk, sort of a preview of you going to listen to the talk yourself, and then went on Wednesday, November 30th, of this year. This is 2022. We're recording this at noon, Pacific Time Kelvin is going to be conducting a q&a on this talk. So after you've listened to this program today, go and listen to 30 November talk and then join Kelvin for that talk again on November 30. I know that's a lot that will all be in the show notes. But I want to welcome Kelvin chin.

Kelvin Chin  3:11  
it obviously happened on 30th November, but this was, as Brian said, 2014. So this is coming up on that eight year anniversary of that talk. It was held in near DC near Washington, DC and right across the river in Alexandria, Virginia. at the George Washington Memorial Building, there was it which is a you know, a Mason, a Masonic Temple. George George Washington was a mason evidently. So we rented that space, and a lot of people showed up and it was live streamed, so it was live streamed worldwide. Back then, as Brian mentioned, there's a recording, there's a video of the talk that exists at 30th november.com. And you have to remember to put in three, zero th November, there's no spaces or anything. It's just three zero th november.com 30 of november.com. And you can watch the talk. And what we're going to do today is just kind of give you a preview of the talk. And I thought well, I'll give the preview in October now and give all of you a chance to watch this three hour talk that George Hammond who I'll explain who he is and so forth in a minute that George gave almost eight years ago now. And then I'll run a q&a on the eight year anniversary, as Brian said at the end of November, you know, next month on 30th, November, this coming this year, is coming next month. So what's the talk? So basically, the subject matter of the talk is the history of spirituality on Play. Did earth over the last seven to 10,000 years ballpark in those four major traditions, Judeo Christian, Islamic Vedic traditions, and I think most of you will recognize all of those Judeo Jewish you know, Christian, you know, Christianity and so forth. Islamic obviously in Vedic Vedic, if people here are mostly from the US and Europe are watching this, the Vedic tradition is what you would know as India, that part of the world. Hinduism comes out of the Vedic tradition. So the Vedic tradition is the roots of that. Also, many of you even here in the West, you know what Buddhism is, Buddhism comes out of the Vedic tradition. It's an it's an offshoot of the Vedic tradition. So Vedic is more ancient. So those four major spiritual traditions, we could call them, Judeo Christian, Islamic Vedic traditions, pretty much account for most of the religions, the, you know, religious institutions on planet Earth today. And for the last several 1000 years. I Wikipedia it when I don't know why I did this, but So Wikipedia said, there's 4000 religions on planet Earth. Did you know that Brian 4000, religious on planet Earth, it's crazy. I don't know what the count is, you know, but, you know, some belief system that's X, Y, or Z, I suppose. But the 30th November talk focused on those four major ones. And the way it came about, let me just talk a little bit about I made a list for myself here, of kind of background points that aren't covered in the talk itself, that will give those who are hearing this video, kind of a leg up in terms of, you know, just people watching it cold. I'll give you some inside, you know, tips and kind of definitions of terms that George uses in the talk, that, you know, will will help fast forward you through understanding what he's talking about. So first of all, who is this guy, George Hammonds. So, as I said, I organized I helped organize the event, I was the main organizer of the event. George Hammond and I are friends this lifetime, from Dartmouth College where we both went to school, he's a couple years younger than I am. So I introduced him to his meditation teacher, this lifetime. When we were at Dartmouth, we've taught meditation together, we're very, very close friends.

And we've stayed in touch all those years, obviously. But who is he in the context of this 30th November talk, I want to give you a little background on him that he doesn't get into too much detail about himself. Here in this regard. He is a former mergers and acquisitions, transactional lawyer. So as you may have, you know, caught in my bio, I also was a lawyer, I went to law school and so forth. George went to law school. And he actually, you know, went up the law firm ladder much higher than I did. And he became a partner in a global law firm. Doing major global mergers and acquisitions. Those of you don't know that term mergers and acquisitions is what the term means it's two companies getting together and merging one other company acquiring or buying the other company. And these are a very, very complex legal transactions. And he did, I think, I can't remember if is it $4 billion worth of, of mergers and acquisition deals over his 2530 year legal career. I say that to you. Because if those of you who know any lawyers or know any mergers and acquisitions, lawyers who are doing global deals, you have to be very grounded. You have to have your act together. You have to be a very rational, logical, clear thinker. You have to be able to negotiate very complex deals, and you have to multitask and juggle, like very complex ideas in your mind, all at the same time. That's why I tell you that about him, okay. Just as an aside, he he worked. He was a senior lawyer on the on the biggest oil deal in Russian history, which was privatized, in 2004. And the CEO of that company, was put in prison by Vladimir Putin. And guess where all the money went? But so Oh, George has that background. Okay. Very high profile mergers and acquisitions lawyer did a lot of those deals. I say that to you because he's not a psychic. That's not what he does. That's what he did. He's not a medium, you know, yet what happened in his house. Again, keep in mind, he and I've been meditating for 50 years, you know. And he and I taught meditation together for many years back in the 1970s, together. Before we before we both went to law school, of course. But what happened in his house that leads up to this 30 November talk was his sister tragically died. Okay, so many of you know, I help people with death and dying issues, and so forth, and so on. So this is, you know, an area, we'll say, an area of life that I'm not unfamiliar with death and dying. Well, I knew Mary has his sister was Mary named Mary. Mary IBOR, was her married name. And I knew Mary from college, you know, she visited us when we were at Dartmouth, and so forth. She had had a heart problem, evidently, suddenly, when she was visiting her son and her grandchildren in San Francisco. So she went into for an emergency surgery, it was a successful surgery, they sent her home to George's house to recuperate, because he had an extra bedroom, so she could recuperate comfortably there, and she was going to recuperate for a few weeks, and then get on a plane and fly home to Iowa, where she lived. Well, she died the next day, after she went to sleep at George's house, they went to wake her up the next day, and she tragically had died in her sleep. So it shocked everybody, of course, she was seemingly on the road to recovery, etc, after a successful heart operation.

If you've had anybody die in your home, you know, it's a little bit more complicated than just somebody dying in a hospital room, you know, you'll get to call the police and the police have to come and make sure everything's okay. You have to call somebody to take the body, and so forth, and so on. So George had a number of logistical stuff. Plus, he comes from a family of 12 kids. So obviously, all the siblings, they were all at that point, prior to Mary's death, they're all 12 still alive. And they're all over the world. And so George, and some of them had flown in and left and so forth. And, you know, brother, Gary had just driven away literally a matter of an hour or two before to go home in Southern California. And George has to make some phone calls. So point is, there's a bunch of logistics he's got to deal with. So, you know, couple, few hours later, he's taking a shower. And within minutes, Mary is talking to him while George is in the shower. And he knew it was Mary, it's those of you I can say this openly and on your show, Brian, you know, because we've talked about these things, and you talk about these things with other people, people who've had any had experience like this, you know, if you have a communication from a dead loved one, you know, it's, it's them, you know, sometimes you're not sure, I get it. And you know, and you know, I've opened up to the other side since 1986. So I understand at first I was doubting it, so forth. But after you've had enough of these experiences, you kind of know, and especially in his case, he it was her voice, he heard her voice in his in his head, and it was the same voice he had just been talking to when her body was still alive, literally whatever it was, you know, 1215 hours earlier in his living room, in he knows the personality and you know, those people who have had these experiences in your audience, Brian, they know, you know, you know, it's, oh, it's that that's that's their sense of humor, or that's the way they talk or that's the languaging they kind of use so there's a recognition is the point. So he knew it was his sister and she gave him some instructions about how she wanted her her she wanted a unique funeral actually which was you know, the required some research on George's part and calling certain people and so she's she's told him in the shower while she's talking to him from the other side, oh, call this person oh, this person over here will and these people didn't George didn't even know him there, call that person and this person and you know, they'll be able to help you because they know about this special kind of funerals. And it turns out the, you know, whenever if days later, you know, he called them and it was right, you know, that they you know, whoever these people were, he called, did know about the special funeral arrangements, etc. That he had no idea about So, but this can come procession continued and She evidently started asking him Hey, talk to talk to my sister so and so are our brothers. So and so I wanted to tell him this. So he's she's giving him messages because Mary, you know, Mary's personality, Mary is a very much of a caring, loving. And you could say somebody who, who, who like to repair things, if necessary, kind of leave it that way in terms of relationships. So she was giving him as it those kind of messages. And, and George could kind of tell, well, this is gonna go on for a while. So we get out of the shower, dried off, and he lay down in bed, and she kept talking. So that went on for about 20 minutes. And then I don't know if I don't know if he gets into this level of detail in his talk here. But I'm gonna give you a little bit more detail. His his mother and father come in and they talk with him. She goes and gets the mother and father now his, their mother and father have both died there on the other side. And again, they have a similar thing. So it's like he talked to so you know, one of the kids have a, you know, your father said this when she was 14 years old, and I've been wanting him to say this to her ever since. And now she's probably 5055 years old, you know? And it's like, and so those kinds of parental messages were going, you know, George was getting fed those from the parents and so forth. So that went on another 15 or 20 minutes or so. So meanwhile, George his wife is walking in and out of the bedroom and she hears George St. George's lying in her bed talking to somebody she can't see. Anyway, she goes out says the door and, and then at some point,

Mary leaves the scene he can see this, you know, he's like a video clip. He's watching you know, he's, he can see Mary leave. Her energy body is kind of what he recognizes as her visually, and her energy body leaves or she leaves the scene. She comes back holding Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's can now who is Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi is the Indian guru. Some of you may recognize his name as the Indian guru who taught the Beatles in 1967, to meditate. And in he started the Transcendental Meditation movement, and so forth, came out of India in 1959. started teaching meditation didn't even call it TM, Transcendental Meditation back then just call it meditation, then came up with the name some sometime in the 60s 1960s. He's that guy. Okay. Now, Mary, George and I, personally, all separately, but personally studied with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. And we all had been TM teachers, transmittal meditation teachers, Georgia, and I for about 10 years in the 1970s. And Mary, still, since the 1970s, to present what 2014 When she died, she was still very active in, in the organization, Georgia and I left after 10 years, the organization went this way. And we said, No, see you later. And you know, we still have, you know, friends in it, and so forth and so on. But we, we didn't want to get into all the other things that they started getting into. But Mary stayed with it. So we all have this connection. from a spiritual standpoint, we can say with Maharishi at some point in our 20th and 21st century lives. Alright, that's the takeaway from your you the audience's standpoint. That's why Maharshi Okay, he comes into the scene. And oh, by the way, he died in 2008. So even though Georgia and I haven't seen him since the 1970s, in physical form, biological form, he died in 2008. He's on the other side, okay. 2014, this is when this whole event is happening, right? So this was January 2014, when when Mary died. And so he comes into the scene and starts talking to George, about ideas, we'll say, which we'll get into what what some of these ideas were ideas for this 30th November talk, and he wasn't calling it the 30 November talk at that point. It was just, I want you to talk, I want to share some ideas with you, basically. So this is an old teacher. So many of you have probably had an experience similar to this. You have an old teacher who's died and gone to the other side, and may communicate with you and say, Hey, Brian, you know, I got these ideas I want to share with you and you may have a conversation. That's what that was at this point in George's experience. And then his sister Mary, left the scene and now it's just George and Maharishi talking one of George's old, this lifetime spiritual teachers from the 1970s. And then Marie, she says you What? I'll be right back and he leaves a seat and he comes back with

another one of George's old spiritual teachers, Jesus. So now it's Maharishi, and Jesus, talking to George, sharing ideas, the three of them basically having a conversation. That's the way you that's the takeaway, you want to look at it. And it just using, you know, 21st century English, there's a conversation going on amongst the three of them. Then George gets into some detail, which I won't get into now, but I'll let him I won't steal George's thunder from the talk. But he does get into some great detail in terms of what the experience of talking with them what was like, and what they looked like, in this experience that he was having when he's lying on his bed. They're talking to him. And that went on for about 90 minutes. And other people came and he because he had a bet, you know, he's not lying in bed, he's got his nightstand. He's got his clock right there. So he glanced at it while he was talking to his sister Mary. So we kind of knew when approximately the thing, this whole thing started. And so went on for about 90 more minutes with merici, Jesus. And then Shankara is another teacher, ancient teacher, from the Vedic tradition. Those of you who don't know you can Google them Wikipedia, his name is SHA N, K, R A, chakra, and Vyasa vy, A S A. So also, we're part of this conversation. Now chakra and Vyasa, turned out to be the same person, chakra Vyasa was Vyasa in a previous lifetime, many of his hundreds or 1000s of years before when Vyasa created the story, which is known in the Vedic tradition. Some of you may recognize it that the name of it is called the Mahabharata. Within the Mahabharata is the Bhagavad Gita. So many of you have probably heard as I have heard, you know, before I ever knew anything of Mahabharata, I knew about the Bhagavad Gita, I had heard of the Gita Gbit, A, the Bhagavad Gita, so many Westerners will know. Oh, I've read the Bhagavad Gita or parts of the Bhagavad Gita. I know I've heard of it or whatever. Okay. The Bhagavad Gita is part of the larger scripture or book story. The Mahabharata that was written by Vyasa Vyasa in a later lifetime, is Shankar. So now Shankar is part of this conversation in January of 2014, with George Herrmann, Jesus, John the Baptist, just Maharishi. I didn't tell you that. Maharishi was John the Baptist in a previous lifetime. Those of you know anything about the Bible, I am not a biblical scholar. So let's get the self disclosure disclaimer right out of front. Brian, you want to ask the right question about the Bible? Yes, Brian, you don't ask me. I did not pay attention in Sunday school. I was a bad student in Sunday school when I went to Sunday school. But evidently, I hear and I've since read that in the Bible, it does reference that John the Baptist and Elijah, is that right, Brian? Elijah, the prophet Elijah, right. So we're the same soul and reincarnated. Elijah was reincarnated as John the Baptist. Well, we now know that John the Baptist, reincarnated as Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and he's had other lifetimes too. But for the sake of this discussion, those are the relevant the three relevant lifetimes that Maharishi had. So you can see that there's starting to be a, we'll call it from your standpoint, the audience standpoint, hearing about this 30 November talk. There, you can see the players are starting to line up in terms of their roles in the download, we'll call it we'll just use 21st century language, that download to humanity over the last seven to 10,000 years of their Judeo Christian Islamic Vedic traditions. So you got Vedic people in here you got chakra who was who was Vyasa, who wrote the Mahabharata, in the Bhagavad Gita and so forth, from which much of the Hindu and so forth and Buddhist etcetera. You know, teachings come from, and then you have Elijah and John the Baptist, Jesus, et cetera, okay. And now Jehovah enters the scene also, and Maha Maharishi, his teacher, who he calls guru deaf. So I want to define this term to you because George does not get into this in his talk. So I want to give you a sense of this.

For clarity purposes, you the audience here, because George mentions the name, Guru, Dev, Guru deaf, those of you who understand Hindi, Hindi or C Sanskrit, Guru just means teacher. That's all that means, right? And dev just means like, you know, exalted one, or it's a sign of respect is what it is. It really it's plain English, we would translate it in plain colloquial, American English, we just say, great teacher. Oh, my great teacher. It's an honorific. It's respectful term, Guru deaf. So if those of you who have had any other Indian teachers in your spiritual journey, will hear them calling their teachers, Guru deaf, okay, so guru dove is not a name. It's a more of a Oh, a sign of respect. Okay. George is using it more as a name in his 30th November talk, because all of us who came out of the TM teaching, only know really only know him as Guru Dev because Mari, she always talked about his teacher as Guru Dev. So George is using it in that way. So just just to not so there's no confusion there. His actual name that person's Moorish, his teachers actual name was Swami brahmananda, Saraswati. Okay? So Swami is a title brahmananda Saraswati, he was, he was a very, we'll just say, a very high, high level, you could say hi, exalted, respected teacher, in the Hindu tradition, in the Hindu Vedic tradition in India, he died in 1953. So but that's just a clarification of term, when you hear that Guru Dev guru, he's specifically talking about that person. So you got these players, I've laid out a few of the players. And then then there's some others there that George will talk about, I want to define another term for you, whoever that he uses, that it's good for you to understand what this term means. He uses George in his talk, uses this term, holy tradition, holy tradition, get to understand coming out of any Vedic kind of Guru teaching, whether it's the TM organization or some other organization, other gurus, teaching or whatever, is a term that's used just as a respectful term of the lineage, it's a, it's a reference to the lineage of teachers before, and we give respect to the teachers before that's the idea. That's the thinking with with the holy tradition. So I know within, in the Christian, Judeo Christian world, you hear the word holy, and it tends to have a certain certain, carry a certain kind of religious kind of connotation to it. And I understand that, but in the Vedic tradition, it more means it's this respect to the lineage of teachers. Okay, so those are basically all the Guru's who lead up to Shankara is what is being referred to as the holy tradition. And they had a meeting on the other side, when Maharishi Mahesh Yogi died. So let's, let me give you a little bit of this picture. Okay, so George gets into this a little bit. I'm gonna give you a little bit more detail here. So again, I'm kind of just giving you not talking about George's talk so much, I'm giving you more context. So you have a place in which to place all of these ideas that he's going to talk about. Okay. So, as I said, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi died February 2008. When Maharishi died, okay, this is not in the talk, but I'm going to share with you because Maharshi has come to me since this, you know, he always come to me before he died. Actually, I had experience with him telepathically before he died, obviously, maybe not obviously. But some of you don't know, I was an international leader in the TM organization in the 1970s. I was the national leader of the TM organization in Hong Kong. I coordinated eight countries in Asia, when I was in my early mid early 20s. And I taught meditation, as Brian said, in the US Army, and Korea and so forth, so on. So I have a history with more issues, my point, and I've spent alone time with him one on one in the room physically, when he was in a biological body in the 1970s. Many times been in a room with him with 2530 100 150 people, probably 1000 times. So I've had a lot of contact with him before all of this. And then I've had contact with him since he died as well.

So here's what he told us and he's told me and he showed me kind of the picture of what happened. When he died in 2008. He pretty much thought he was enlightened. So those of you who have no idea about spirituality, you hear this term enlightened What does that typically mean?

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Kelvin Chin  31:02  
In the Vedic tradition, enlightened means you are perfect you have reached the goal of growth of personal growth. And you are perfect. Do you everything you do is right. You know everything is just a run of a perfect perfection. Okay. That's the belief system about this idea of enlightenment. Okay, whether you're a Buddhist, Vedic, remember, Buddhism comes out of the Vedic tradition. I'm just referring to it as the Vedic view. Okay. Well, George is a little bit more. This is George's personality. He's a little bit more indirect, I'm a little bit more direct. He's a little bit more indirect. He says Marsh he thought he had a, he had at least a 5050 chance, it's already had at least a 5050 chance of being in like, no bar, she thought he was in like, their eighth grade, she thought about this is it, this is it, I'm off to the off the Wheel of Karma, you know, there's a phrase that they use in the vein of off the Wheel of Karma, I don't have to come back anymore. That's it, you know, everything I've been doing all these lifetimes before, and now this one and I don't know. You know, I thought millions I'm responsible for millions and millions of people learning TM alone, never mind other kinds of meditation. But Transcendental Meditation alone, millions and millions of people, they were, you know, 20 to 40,000 people a month we're learning in the US when I was teaching in the 1970s a month, every month, it was crazy. Alright, so March, he got on the line this time. And he dies, he biologically dies. Again. We know from other talks with Brian and other people he's had on the show, we don't die die, you know, we are soul continues, but our physical biological body yet dies. So that died, that part of marshy died. All right. And now he's on the other side. And the way I describe it in, you guys kind of can get at my personality, even if you're just watching this for the first time. I'm kind of an informal guy. So it's like marshy sitting there. And he's like, what happened? Still Marshy. I didn't, I died, I can see my body down there. And I'm still here, I didn't merge. That's the idea with with enlightenment you see is, is that if you physically biologically die, and you are spiritually, this is the belief system in the Vedic system, you're spiritually mentally perfect. You've worked everything out. You're perfect. Now, the belief system is that you merge your consciousness merges with the ocean, the big cosmic soup, that I call it big cosmic soup. You're just you lose your individuality. That is the belief system, you exist no more as an individual. Alright. So sometimes, actually, you and I talked about this briefly on a previous session, Brian, the idea of, of a water molecule merging with the ocean, I think is not a bad analogy. But you got to understand the analogy, the water molecule still retains itself as a water molecule, even though it is part of this vast ocean of water molecules. So you could still feel connected with things I do many times, you know, just I've had the experience 1000s and 1000s 1000s. I'd say I haven't now all the time. And I'm still in a physical body. Last I checked. Yeah. Otherwise, we have a new zoom zoom feature here, but I don't think we do. You know, it's a it's that connection. So I don't I've not lost my water molecule nests, even though I've had that I get the connection. So I think it's a good analogy. It's the analogy is misunderstood. The analogy of the water molecule, you know, rejoined With the you know, with the ocean so forth, it's not a bad analogy it's misinterpreted. So you the water molecule does not lose its individuality. When it's connected with all other water molecules. It is not. Right. It doesn't stop being a water molecule. Right. So that's the that's a point of clarification. You can interview other people that when they use that analogy, when they they say, well, we merge. Well, wait a minute, is the water molecule still exist? Yeah, it does. So that's that. So Marie, she is having that experience. He feels like, Oh, I feel so open and expanded and connected. And I don't know. But I still remember who I am.

Or who I was. And this is, again, the Kelvin chin and formal version of the story that Marty showed me. It's like, it's like, it's like these guys over in the car table in the corner of the room over there. And they go, Hey, dude, BARCHI, come over here. We did talk. And it's Jesus and Jehovah and Shaka and about 10, or 15, or 20, other of these gurus, and ancient spiritual teachers, from all these traditions, who are all sitting at this, again, I'm just making this up. This isn't over here in the corner playing cards or whatever. They're just sitting there chatting. But this is the Kelvin chin, exclusion of humor, and mercy. And they start talking. And they have a, again, Kelvin chin humor. They have a come to Jesus meeting, and they and they start fessing up with each other that, yeah, we didn't merge either. We thought we're going to merge and we didn't none of us have merged. None of us. None of all of these spiritual teachers. Paramahansa Yogananda is over there. And as a bunch of Buddhist teachers over there who from, you know, the Buddhist tradition are over there. And they said, Yeah, we didn't, we didn't emerge, either. We thought we would, we thought we were done. There is no done done. That's that's one of the takeaways of the 30 of November talk. So, again, the, the this group that you'll hear George referred to, that gave him this download of information of ideas, if they call themselves the movement, and the and the reason they call themselves the movement is simply because seven to 10,000 years ago, when they all started chatting with each other on the other side. So with about humanity, they said, Well, if we could get any movement at all in a positive direction, we we've accomplished something. So that's where they started calling themselves the movement evidently. And this talk 30th, November 2014, that you can see on the on the website, is the result of that discussion, amongst those members of the movement that I've kind of elucidated to you here.

Brian Smith  37:57  
Yeah. Yeah. It's fascinating to me. And and so too, as someone who's listened to the talk, and it is you said, it's about three hours long, so I broke it up into chunks. I walk every morning, I listen to it. You know, there's some concepts I think we have, like when you mentioned Jehovah was there, you know, and so a lot of Christians equate Jehovah with God. And, and God being a perfect being. And so maybe you can clarify for us some of these some of these characters and who they are.

Kelvin Chin  38:31  
Yeah, yeah. So let's talk about Jehovah a little bit here. So Jehovah, because I've had conversations with Jehovah's since I had never had any conversation. Well, maybe I did, but I don't remember having had conversations with Jehovah before. But Jehovah, let's just say, let's get this out of the way Jehovah is a very, very powerful being. Okay, so anything you hear me say about Jehovah, or Jesus, or John the Baptist aka marshy or Jonker or anybody is not to reduce or lower in your minds. I do not intend to lower in your minds, the power of their minds, okay. At the same time, they are more like you and me, then most of us probably would realize, okay, and I first started having that experience, quite frankly, in 1970s. When I met with Marty, she, you know, was he a powerful guy? Yeah, I got a headache every sometimes I was with him because I would just start releasing so much stress in His presence. Okay. But But But did he did I see him make mistakes sometimes and just do things off the cuff? Absolutely. You know, I experienced them personally with him. So you know, do this No, no, and it'll work out when it didn't work out. And I said, Well, how come I you know, I gotta do this and this and this. This one? worked out. He said, Oh, good, good, good that you decided to do that. So I would change sometimes he would say, when I was national leader of this country's organism, if you have organization back then, you know, I'd say no, I'm going to do it this way. And he said, Okay, how to work? And he said, Well, it worked. He said, Oh, good. I'm glad you did that. So it's not it doesn't take away their power by that little story that I just told you. That that's that's happened over millennia. Okay, with all right, that said, Jehovah does not view himself as capital G God in a way that many of us do or did. All right. He's very powerful. Mind, very powerful consciousness, soul, spirit, consciousness, whatever word you want to use, I use simple English, I just use the word personality, your mind is very, very powerful, very wise, loving all of that, that people probably know about him. I think about him. I think those that's all accurate. But does he have the answers to everything? No. And so that's what he means capital G God. So he's not. He doesn't view himself that way. That said, he's okay. If people continue to continue viewing him that way. It's okay. He doesn't, he's not here to change. I'm not here to change belief systems, he is in Georgia isn't.

In none of the members of the holy tradition are here to say, Thou shalt that whole approach, the vow shalt approach that existed that 1000 years ago, is changed. That's one of the major messages of the 30th, November 2014. Talk is this notion of free will, is that letting people figure things out. And Marguerite, she convinced the other members of the movement, to his credit, in 2008, right after he died, he convinced them to be more open and transparent with all of us. And then they gave this download, and they talked about the prophetic approach. For example, you heard you hear that at the beginning, George 30, November talk, George talks about the what was called the prophetic approach, send a prophet down, and the Prophet down, whatever, you know, the math, you're better than the history met a better than I do, Brian, you know, like, how many 1000s of years ago in the Old Testament, whatever you send them, you send that profit down and so forth. And they do this. Oh, and then people start listening. Well, what would the what was some of those early messages? Well, basically, it was stuff like, don't kill other people don't, you know, you know, love other people and don't kill them, you know, because what the, the movement was trying to do is to initially, you know, stop so much killing, and cruel behavior, we'll call it, okay, we'll just put it somewhere early in that kind of category. And, and get people to move in a direction. That's more communally helpful, you know, socially helpful. So hey, maybe you should get a job. That kind of idea. You know, that karma Dharma ideas kind of were born out of that, hey, there's consequences to your actions, the whole karma thing. And Dharma, oh, maybe you should do a job that's helpful for other people and take some stress off yourself and stop figure it worrying about you doing the right thing and do something. You know, a lot of people were just sitting around, this was what remember, we're talking seven to 10,000 years ago. And so they were the Movement members were brainstorming these ideas. And so they would send out a prophet and and say, Okay, here's a message, we want you to go teach this. And they started teaching that message. And then they'd come back and people were watching from the other side, again, those viewers that your audience, you have a large audience who knows that or is heard at least whether they've know it from personal experience or not, that you know, our loved ones can see us from the other side. So, the Movement members of the movement are watching what the prophet that they you know, who incarnated as a prophet this soul incarnated as a prophet comes down as prophets so and so whether it's Elijah, one of the other many prophets, the names of which, you know, Brian, I don't, and, and they're spreading a message, okay, fine. And they're checking, is it well, how's that workout? You know? So then fast forward, what happened with Jehovah was Jehovah started seeing that

we'll call them George doesn't use this word, but there's this phrase, but I'm going to use this phrase with you guys. You'll know what this means. There were unintended consequences. There were unintended consequences of some of the principles that they were teaching. Because the some of the teachings would go off the rails as they do sometimes Hello communication, you know, you know you're communicating to Uh, you know, millions or 10s of 1000s, or hundreds of 1000s of humans, you know, it's like, it's like, you know, you sit around you, you people, I'm sure you either know, if you've done it yourself when you were in kindergarten, first grade or something, you sit around a circle, you know, there's 25 kids, and they tell the story. And you see how the story gets changed by the time 25 People tell the same story, or by the time guy gets to you, it's like nothing resembling the first word, the first iteration of the story. Well, imagine that happening 10s of 1000s, and hundreds of 1000s, or millions of times with some of these teachings. So it goes way off the rails. And this whole idea of karma Jehovah's saw, this whole idea of karma went so off the rails, that it wasn't just Oh, you got consequences for your actions, you should be more conscious of what you're doing, don't hurt people and that kind of thing, to where people was feeling so guilty, and worried that they'd have so many mountains of the mountain of karma is so many miles high, that it would take them 100 million lifetimes to ever peck away at this, which was never part of the teaching initially. Right. But that got added in. And so Jehovah without saying anything, so let me explain something. This is another insight here for the listeners, because George does not get into explaining this in great detail in the talk, and this confused me actually went when I first heard the talk. So Jehovah talks about himself in this talk. Again, by the way, George is not channeling this talk, George was given a download. And I would visit George over that next 11 months when I was organizing the talk. And I fly up to visit him. And it started out like, you know, a stack of notes like this. And then over the next 11 months, he got more and more information, more information, those of you can't see my finger. It's like getting bigger and bigger. And he eventually had like an inch and a half to two inch, you know, high high stack of notes and started about a half an inch. So he got all this download of information. That's what he's talking about in 30 November, he's not channeling like a psychic in during the talk. Okay. So but in the talk, Jehovah's says, asked George to say, as Georgia say he specifically Jehovah specifically asked George to use these words, that Jehovah lied to the other members of the movement and started another project. We call it to Jehovah project, and then the Jesus project. So I already talked about the Jehovah project, which is the Prophetic approach, right? The latest Jesus project, which we'll talk about in a second. But the point is that he left the what we now know is India back 10,000 years ago, there were no countries, but that part of the world in Somalia is okay, is where they would they would incarnate and do these experiments for the most part with the people in that sector of the world, let's say. And then Jehovah left that sector of the world that he went to Mesopotamia Well, that's, you know, the Middle East, you know, Iraq, and what we now know is Iraq, Iran, that area, okay, the Euphrates River and Mesopotamia, that area and so forth. Tigris and Euphrates rivers that area and so forth. And then what we now know is Nazareth, Jerusalem, Middle East, Lebanon, etc, Israel and so forth. Okay, Syria, that area, all right. He left the Himalayas and went there, Jehovah did. And he did this Jehovah and Jesus project experiment. Okay. He says in the 30th November, he wanted George to say, I lied by not telling the rest of your it wasn't really a lie. Why me the way I think of why he wanted that made clear, I think, for teaching purposes with people who think of him as God, that he's, he's, you know, he can't do anything wrong kind of a thing to know that he he's, he was trying to help and you know, and he didn't tell his friends because he didn't, he wanted to just, he wanted his experiment in the Middle East to be without interference from other people. Right? That's, that's my interpretation. Okay. All right. I may be putting words in Jehovah's mouth here. But, but that's my takeaway. It's not really a lie. You know, it's like, Hey, I'm gonna go do my thing. Because why he saw as I said, karma, dharma thing going off the rails, really creating suffering in people in what we now call the India Peninsula, Indian peninsula. Okay, that's Asia. So he did the Jehovah project, the prophetic thing, and that wasn't working as well as he thought. And then he started, he came in started the Jesus project. That's where I got involved. So you know, my involvement with the Jesus project, so I'm not, you know, I'm like an outlier, you know, I kind of do my own thing. And, but I was brought in, I first met, actually, George, when he was part of this movement group 4000 years ago when I was an Egyptian priest and he He was in

Egypt, obviously. But he was a Jew in Egypt at the time, Georgia that lifetime. But he was part of this project and so forth. Back then, I went off, I did my own thing, and so forth. And then I got recruited back in, on the other side, to be part of the Jesus project. So the Jesus project was John the Baptist. And many of you know this from this is it this is somewhat described in the Bible. You know, not everything in the Bible is, you know, accurate. We know that because it was written many, many hundreds of years, over over many 100 years, several 100 year period after Jesus died, and so forth. And Paul really is the one who is the is the is the father of Christianity, not Jesus, really. And we all know that from religious history. But the idea is that, that will the actual concept of the Jesus project was that John the Baptist would go in and plow the field, kind of start getting people thinking more inwardly, and so forth. And then Jesus would come into the picture and they would work together. That was the plan. That was the soul plan. So many of you who watching this, know the idea of soul plan. So with the soul plan on the other side, yes. And we call it the Jesus project, but you can call it whatever you want. We call it the Jesus project, there was a soul plan for John the Baptist and Jesus to come in. Now. Also, some of you may know, just from your Biblical studies that it's true that they were cousins. So their mothers were cousins, really, Elizabeth, who was John the Baptist mother, and Mary, Miriam, Mary, we in English, we call it mirror, but westernized but Miriam was Jesus's mother. Well, the two mothers were cousins. And so the Jesus and John the Baptist, the two biological children, were obviously related. Interesting. George does not mention this in the talk, but I get to give you guys another little insight. Marry John, in Georgia, his sister who died in George's house, right? Marry her. Her birth name, Mary Hammond, but her married name, Mary IBOR, IV, er, Mary, in a previous lifetime, was Elizabeth, John, the Baptists mother. So there's all this like, there's a lot of people talk about this idea of soul groups, you hear that a lot, and a lot of the spiritual communities will talk about that. Is there a reality to it? Yes, there is, you know, many of us come back, my kids and I have been together, my children this lifetime, I'm talking about, right. We've been together. And we have independent memory recollections of that, you know, so it's, it doesn't always happen, but it can it happen. Absolutely. Yes. And so you'll see this, there's a lot of weaving in of personalities. In this spiritual movement that we're talking about here. They call themselves the movement. They've worked together for many 1000s of years, including many, including actually all of the 12 apostles, and many of the 20 to 30 to 50. Others who don't get any name recognition, they don't get any props in the Bible. They get a little bit left out of the Bible, there's like, people will realize there were there were just 12 about I mean, yeah, there were 12 main apostles, okay, fine. But there were like, 2030 4050 of us, right? Some of you who are watching this right now, if some of you if this is emotionally what I'm talking about, if some of if some of what I'm saying. And when you watch the 30th November talk, some people were crying in the audience, when they were sitting there. I mean, just like what, you know, why? Because you were there, you were probably there when all of this went down. And so I don't You don't know me, you know, know how I work. I give people free phone conversation worldwide about anything. And so specifically, some people have found me just through the internet, and contacted me because of some very, very close connection that they had with Jesus, or John Baptist, or any of these players here, but especially Jesus, and why Jesus, because those of us who were there when he was crucified, it was a shock. It was a horrific thing. And it has scarred so many 1000s of people who witnessed it then, physically, biologically witnessed it. There were they're physically there. It scarred them so deeply that they've been carrying it around for 1000s of years and many of them reached out to me and found me and I helped them kind of worked through that. It's a very deep scar.

So, anyway, the Jesus John the Baptist project went off the rails because of that bill first because of John getting beheaded. All right, that was not part of the plan. We have a soul plan to come down and teach. And Jesus is teaching John and Jesus teaching together. I was first studying with John the Baptist back then. And then my brother, Andrew said, hey, you know, let's meet this guy, John the Baptist. That's how I met John the Baptist. Since then we've been we were both students of his and then John, John the Baptist, we keep calling him John the bass because John has so many John's you know, the Bible, the John the Baptist. So we John told us go study with Jesus when he met Jesus. And he's that moment he met Jesus, I have a memory, what am I very clear past life memories that I'm adding to my book that I'm writing about my memories now is me sitting on, on top of a rock, like a huge rock lace, like, like the size of a small house rock, you know, like a big huge rock, you know, 1214 feet, big rock, up on the side of a hill, very dry, you know, arid area, there. And on a hillside, looking down at a river, probably the Jordan River, whatever, you know, but who knows what a river and John the Baptist is standing in there, you know, like, waist deep or in the water, baptizing people, and there's this long line of people lay out 100 200 people long winding up this path, in this, you know, you know, from the river. And that was the day that that Jesus was in that line, I didn't know which one he was, at the time, you know, I'm just looking, I'm probably I'm sitting on this rock, and I'm probably looking down like, half a football field, you know, 100 100 150 feet, something like that. And looking down, you know, at least maybe 150 200 feet down, I'm looking at John way down there in the river. And this is long line of people. So I can't really see faces or anything. And but that was the day that John told us, he saw Jesus, and they look eye to eye and then they, you know, the eye these people sometimes say the eyes are the window to the soul, you know, you're looking at I get emotional, just saying this. You know, he looked in, John looked at Jesus his eyes, and he knew we was, you know, they knew each other. They knew Oh, there you are. Yeah, take it a while that we read. So, yeah, but that whole went off the rails, you know, it's just. And so overcoming the fear of death was a big part of the message. That's one of the things that you'll hear George talk about in the 13th November talk. Let's just end this and you can you can ask me some more questions, but overcoming the fear of death. One concept. Another concept is the turning within I use the term turning within George briefly mentioned it in the talk that I call my meditation turning within meditation now. I used to just call it meditation. Another concept is to transcending cruelty idea getting, how do we deal with people who are abusive and cruel? And yet at the same time, we're not we don't, we can't force people to do stuff that they don't want to do, because free will still operate. So where does how does the rubber meet the road there? So that's, you know, you've heard me talk about this in some of my teaching since right. And the idea of friendship, friendship, replacing the idea of guru or divinity worship. In other words, no master disciple guru, those of you don't know what that means. That means you're the disciple the student does whatever the master, the teacher, the guru tells them to do without question, blind faith, we call it okay. And the same thing with divinity. No, no blind worshipping. Jehovah now views, his his request, you might some way might say, some of you might say his demand for blind faith in the past as a mistake, that in fact, he views it as having set

people who have very deep devotion towards him, or others, set them up to be abused by others who are not so loving and kind as Jehovah and so Jehovah now views that as, as a long term mistake with a short term loving goal, but a long term mistake, because it has set people up to who are very devoted to be devoted to every Buddy, and that you in the filter always needs to be up. In my opinion, that's Kelvin chin language, not Jehovah language. That's my language, that we need to create boundaries when necessary, and and make appropriate choices. When people are cruel and abusive, or hurtful, unkind, let's just say. So yeah, that kind of devotion works for somebody like

Unknown Speaker  1:00:25  
Jehovah, but

Kelvin Chin  1:00:28  
very few others, let's just say. So those are the it was some of the ideas. Go ahead, Brian.

Brian Smith  1:00:34  
Yeah, well, I want to say I did listen to talk has been a couple of years ago, I've definitely want to listen to it again, because there is so much there. But I find the arc of the whole thing fascinating. And, and the idea of various projects and how it ties together the major religions that we know about. And it kind of busts some of our myths, like, you know, like Jehovah could be very, very good, and very, very powerful. But we say, well, Jehovah is omniscient, and Jehovah is omnipotent. Where apparently that's not really the case. And I think that's a kind of an important distinction for us to make. And, and you could see like some of that, as you're talking, and I love Jesus, I've always been a big fan of Jesus. And you can see him trying to get this message out. And it comes through the Gospels a little bit, but then it gets crushed by the church.

Kelvin Chin  1:01:30  
Right? Exactly, yeah. Paul changed the teaching and the whole Jesus dying on the cross for save other people, and they've free them of their sins and all that was a horrific, I'm sorry to say, I'll be very direct. I mean, it was it was a horrific derailment of Jesus's teaching. It was never part of this. And, and to your point about being omnipotent. If Jehovah was omnipotent, he would have stopped the crucifixion of His Beloved Jesus. So they're not biological father and son, but they have, they still do they have a very close relationship, the two souls the two personalities, they're very, very close. And it's as if father and son, Jesus and Jehovah killed him, he would have stopped that if he could, but you cannot interfere with other with the Free Will choices have in this in that case, probably hundreds and 1000s of minds. All of the minds who were demanding that Jesus be King of the Jews are all complicit in Jesus's murder. I'm sorry, you know, but they were. And so, you know, if there were a lot, a lot of responsibility, you know, that be passed around there for that for Jesus's crucifixion wasn't just one person or two people, you know,

Brian Smith  1:02:59  
right, right. Well, exactly. And, you know, I tell people, and I've been a Christian, I was raised as a Christian my whole life and some of this stuff to just didn't make any sense that, you know, guy killed his own son or Jesus sacrifice himself. I'm like, Well, if he was going to sacrifice himself to why didn't he crawl up at an altar? Why did he have to be crucified? That doesn't make any sense to me?

Kelvin Chin  1:03:19  
Yeah, exactly. Ya know, with Paul created that. And Paul was a very charismatic person. I remember Paul, and I liked him. And he agreed to be to, you know, remember, you remember, Paul, never met Jesus. He's never knew him. He was never in his physical presence. He never heard him talk. He came on the scene three and a half years after Jesus died. But we we, we shared Jesus's teachings with Paul and Paul went out and teach, to teach and he was a very effective teacher, very charismatic, charismatic guy, and so forth. But then he started, he went off the rails after he had this vision. And I think he may have had a vision, but it wasn't a vision. And he said, somebody started calling Jesus Christ. That's when this whole Christ thing. None of us we didn't never call Jesus Christ. No, but but but that's a Greek thing. Right? So his whole background in Greek, he's, you know, spoke Greek wrote Greek, it's over. You know, it's from Tarsus, what's the tarsus in which is now Turkey apart in his family, what move when he was nine years old, down to the area, wherever Nazareth, Jerusalem ish area, in that area, wherever, whatever town I can remember. But he, he, he inserted this whole concept, and he may have had a vision. And Jesus may actually have come to him and said, Paul, what the heck are you doing? killing my people? What are you doing? You know, one of my one of my friends this lifetime, who I've met fairly recently was stoned to death and Roman I remember back then 2000 years ago, and remembers Paul sitting on a stool leaning against a stucco wall with a smile in his face while he was being stoned. My friend this lifetime was being stoned 2000 years ago, stoned to death for teaching Jesus's teachings, Paul was sitting there watching him. So I mean, really so. So, you know, no wonder Jesus came to Paul and said, Hey, what are you doing? But then Paul, conflated that and expanded that into this whole notion that it derailed the teaching, but created this great path towards what we know as Christianity today, which is not Jesus's teaching.

Brian Smith  1:05:44  
Yeah, exactly. So it to me again, as I hear this, it makes sense that there would be another go round, right? And so these beings that some people worship as being omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, all those all those things. They're still they're still experimenting, I think is the word you use. They're still they're still trying to help guide us and the best path for humanity.

Kelvin Chin  1:06:10  
Yeah, and you'll hear in the 30 of November talk again, teaser alert, you know, you'll hear when you watch it, those of you who haven't watched it yet, you know, you'll see that it it going forward is an encouragement by these spiritual leaders of the Judeo Christian Islamic Vedic traditions, to live our lives, exercising our freedom of freewill. And at the same time, making choices that are less cruel. Because why? Because cruelty does not really feed our happiness, although cruel people for cruel people it does in the short term, but long term, it doesn't. Short term. It works for cruel people, right? We make people feel terrible around them, Oh, I feel better all of a sudden. But the but the but the takeaway, one of the takeaway teachings that again, these are there's so much packed into this three hours, George can't get into the detail that I can get into, in in the subsequent talks. And we'll get into the q&a when we talk 30 of November when people have to people watch this. But one of the things is to is to develop and turn within and strengthen ourselves from within, more, more, more foundationally will say, and therefore, the cruel aspects that we all kind of have, nobody's perfect, it starts to drop away. And so that's a takeaway, that George just very lightly touches on, you know, in the talk, because he was running out of time, he thought it would be a two hour talk. And, and the other the other funny things that you guys, you'll see me in the audience was sitting next to my kids. But what I did was at some point, I knew it was because I was looking at my watch and like, wow, like two hours, like we're already like, two hours, I was walking around waving at George to kind of get his attention. And so it's the we had five cameras there. And the manager of the video crew was like waving it. He couldn't see us because the lights were so bright. He couldn't see anything. Yeah. And so then finally, he looked at his watch. And you'll see at the end, he goes, Oh, my God, it's almost charged with trying to get your attention. Just start throwing rocks at him, you know, anyway.

Brian Smith  1:08:37  
Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot to cover. And even this conversation with you is we've gone I guess about an hour or so. And I could we could keep going because there's so it's so deep, and it's so rich. And for people that want to explore really want to understand the history of their faith and where it came from, how it was derailed. And it's and it was Paul, but it wasn't just Paul, it was also the Roman Empire.

Kelvin Chin  1:09:00  
Absolutely. Yeah. i It's a really good point. I'm glad you said that. Because it's not just Paul, Paul. And look, Paul also borrowed ideas from Zoroastrianism and this and that, and probably other religions that we don't even know the names of, because they don't have weren't written down and so forth. People like people to realize that there was very little written down stuff back then. I mean, it's I researched this and anywhere from one to 15%. This is what the historians have estimated one to 15% of the population then could read and write. And so closer to 15%, would be probably the wealthier people, right. But most people are probably one to 3% of most of the masses could read and write that's probably accurate. You know, that means 85 to 99% of the people were illiterate. So how did this anything get around back then? word of mouth. And that's just telling the story of being around 25 people in a circle, except it's not 25 it's 25,000 or 250,000 people in a circle telling the story, right, so, so it's not just Paul, you're right. And then it's a lots of other people look, this Tertullian there's just in the martyr and there's others that we know names of this, like how many dozens and hundreds of others we don't know the names of because they were never written down by anybody. scribed nobody scribed it. You know, there was no scribe. And so so there's just all these ideas and ideas and ideas. And then, you know, comes together into this thing we call a Bible. They voted on that. And around, they think it's around 360 ish. AD, right, in Nicaea. You know, you have 303 to 400 bishops, these leaders of the Christian church at the time, and they're deciding what the official Bible is going to be. Was all over the place. Yeah. And

Brian Smith  1:10:58  
they left that some good stuff. But that's not the Gospel of Thomas, which is a beautiful book that should have been put into the canon and other books that shouldn't have been the canon. They did put in.

Kelvin Chin  1:11:09  
He did put in Yeah, I mean, the book of Revelation, for example, a current relationship. Yeah, there was why is that do it in there, but it it was, it was it was a, it was a dispute, it was a what? It was a dispute, not a unanimous vote dispute that they voted in the 300 or plus bishops voted, and I don't know what the exact vote was, but, you know, it was probably like, you know, you know, you know, 200 to 100. It was like not, it was not unanimous that to pick the book of Revelation in with Apocalypse, and in all of this stuff and who, yeah, and so, but it's in the Bible. So people think, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, a lot of politics going on. And you're right. It's not just all Paul's fault. But he does need to own his his role in this. And he really did do a number on Jesus's teachings and do a disservice. Yeah. But anyway, so. So yeah, if this, I hope this helps give you a little bit more context to the 30th November talk, when any of you in the audience, you know, go to watch it, it's three, zero th november.com. And, and there's a lot more stuff that Brian, actually we didn't talk about this, but just a quick, one sentence on this. There's a lot of stuff on that website. That's not just to talk to, you got to get the talk. And you got the q&a Afterwards, which goes for another 45 minutes. And then, but there's other material on there. Oh, one thing I did want to mention, you know, there is a, maybe you can put this in the in your description on the on the YouTube or wherever you put this, you know, wherever you put this across the internet, put the link to the letter that I wrote with its three letters that we after the fact we wrote this after the fact, maybe three or four weeks later, I wrote a letter, George boydell letter. And John Moore wrote a letter, John Moore is a guy who sits here, you'll see him on the video, he's sitting in a white suit, and he's in the front row, sitting alone in the middle of read the front. I'm off on the side, George, John is sitting right there in a white suit. He and I and George do not know each other. And so he got a separate visitation from Maharishi, and the movement, that group holy tradition, teachers and so forth. Well, for about two months before I think September, October, before the November event, they came in, told him that he should go and he should tell people this is for real. And as you go there about twice later heard about from 20 Different people around the world, because the word got around in the grapevine that I was organizing it. 20 people I didn't know were telling me from England, Australia by the law, that they were getting visitations from the other side, saying, oh, you should check this out live stream it or whatever. If you can't go bah, bah, bah. Yeah, yeah. Anyway,

Brian Smith  1:14:09  
those three

Kelvin Chin  1:14:10  
letters that that are on the website, but they're kind of buried in the website. It's under maharishi's messages, you'll see a drop down mortgages, messages. And in there, you'll see the three letters from the three of us. Give people a context. That's why I suggest that people read those short letters from us first. people a little bit more context. That's all. It'll help.

Brian Smith  1:14:34  
Sounds great. Sounds great. But we'll put we'll put a bunch of links in the show notes because there's there's a lot of information here. It's it's pretty dense, but I think it's worth going through. If you want to have some clue what's been going on in mankind for the last 710 1000 years. Why we have these different religions, why they seem to be evolving, where they went off the rails and more, most importantly, what we need to be doing today. A which I love this, this talk about, you know, more of a friend and a teacher guru thing, making sure you know when we exercise our free will, because so many religions take that away from us. You know, I see so many people saying, well, I can't do this because the Bible says that that's not good, even though it goes against our common sense, right? We know this, you know, we know that makes no sense. But the Bible says it so that's what we have to do.

Kelvin Chin  1:15:26  
Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Yep. Yeah, the going forward that how to we apply some of these principles. That's what Maharishi to answer the question. Sometimes people may say, Oh, how can this Maharishi Maharshi that, you know, George is talking to the talk? Or if you see on the website, and so it's because he's the one who inspired the others in the movement to come forth and, and be more transparent with us. That's why it's so they said, Oh, we're gonna get this Kelvin Qin terminology. 21st century English, will give you the branding rights, basically, you know, what's your name all over it? Okay, fine. You know, that's why, but it's really, it's not his ideas, per se, Marquis. It's, he was the initiator of this. And then, okay, fine. That's why you see his name, and you hear his name mentioned so many times it's over. But it's really a joint effort, you know, by all of the folks.

Brian Smith  1:16:21  
Awesome. Great. As always, great to see you again. Thanks for doing this. And I look forward to seeing people on the 30th of November 2022.

Kelvin Chin  1:16:30  
Great. Yep, yep. Yep. We'll have a great q&a. Great. Thanks, Brian. You take care of your afternoon.

Brian Smith  1:16:35  
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