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Shauna is the creative founder of the Growing Up in Heaven Program for mothers who want to connect and communicate with their children on the Other Side.
Shauna’s personal journey through the loss of her son has paved a path for mothers to move from grief to relief as they learn to make the connection with their child in Heaven.
A powerhouse in the spiritual communication realms, Shauna’s first-hand experience with loss and grief allows her to share a wealth of soulful + heart-felt tools and support on how to navigate loss and find true meaning in life again.
She runs her business from her home in Canada and is the host of The Oracle of Light Podcast. Shauna enjoys kickboxing and working out, spending time in the mountains with family and friends, and her continued quest for the perfect cup of coffee.
You can find her program: "Growing Up In Heaven" there.
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Hey everybody, this is Brian back with another episode of grief to growth and today I've got Miss Shawna de melon. She is the creative founder of the growing up in heaven program for mothers who want to connect to communicate with or communicate with their children on the other side. Her personal journey through the loss of her son has paved the path for mothers to move from grief to relief. As they learn to make the connection with their children and heaven. Shauna is a powerhouse in the spiritual communication realms which we'll find out when you meet her in a second. Her firsthand experience with loss and grief allows her to share a wealth of soulful and heartfelt tools and support how to navigate loss and find true meaning in life again, she runs her business from her home in Canada. She is the host of the Oracle of light podcast. She enjoys kickboxing, and working out spending time in the mountains with family and friends and your continued quest for the perfect cup of coffee. So with that, I'd like to welcome Shana to grifter growth. Oh, thank
Shauna Domalain 2:18
you so much, Brian, thank you for having me. This is this is a real pleasure her real honor. I'm excited to to share insight and connecting.
Brian Smith 2:26
Well, I'm really looking forward to this conversation as tell people we just got we just kind of met, you're just like a powerhouse. Like it says in the bio, that it's really it's really fun to meet you. And we do share something in common, both having been parents who have had children who have transitioned before we did. So firstly, when I asked you is Tell me about your son, Jack?
Unknown Speaker 2:46
Absolutely. My son Jack, would have been nine this year in the physical reality. About About 10 years ago, my husband and I had decided to have another baby. And it was interesting because my daughter, Emma, who is now 17, she would run around the house and say, Where is my brother? How come he's on in your tummy? When is he going to be here? And we had already named him we you know, it was like, Yep, we're having a boy, his name is Jack. And it was just so exciting. And so those six months, you know, sort of before we started the in vitro process, were just, it was like, he was already a part of our lives. It was just so fantastic. He was in our dreams. And you know, my daughter, Emma talked to him. And we just felt him all around. And we had begun the in vitro process. And as several several, you know, couples understand, things just didn't go according to plan. And we lost Jack and that was our that was our chance. And so it was, it was just like an instant heartbreak. Like it's just like, you know, I've lost loved ones before and for babies and, you know, losing a child is there's no guidebook for that. Like, it's just an even with my background. And as a medium, you know, people would say, you can connect with him, you just talk to him, what's the big deal? And, you know, it's interesting because I there was this, this, this this talk from Brene Brown, and she said you have to surround yourself with people who have earned the right to hear your story. And so after I'd lost Jack, you know, I would share it with people and they say, well, what's the big deal? Just, you know, go go, you know, adopt or, you know, you could try again or, you know, you could find a new husband or you know, they had all these different insights, and I found it just sort of catapulted me even deeper into the grief. It would take
Unknown Speaker 4:33
I want to say a good two or three years I was sort of in a sort of feel like Groundhog Day. It was like I get up get dressed, put the coffee on take me to school come home, I just ate just there was no joy in my life. There was just there was nothing and I wasn't able to connect with Jack during this whole time. Like it just felt like he was erased. It was like oh my god, where did he go? What happened? Like it was just it was just it was that intense? So about three years later I was guided to have a reading with another medium. And in the reading she said Shawna, have you connected with Jack? And I said, No, I can't, I can't feel him. I can't see him. I said, I don't, I don't know what happened. And she said, Well look up, he's here. And so I see this incredible angelic being walk in the room holding hands with this little boy. And I immediately started crying. And it's my jack, and he runs over, and he's like, Mama, I'm here, I'm here. And it was just, it was like, instantly in that moment, we were reconnected. And it was just like, it was like, for the first time in years, I could breathe again. For the first time, in years, it was like, I felt like maybe my heart would start to mend. And just knowing that I could connect with him and knowing where he was that he was okay. And then he started sending the heart rocks. So what I love to give people, you know, at the end of their reading, or in classes that they take with me is I love to tell them what their child signs are from heaven. And so his were heart rocks. And so I started to find them everywhere, like, my house is full of them. It's just, it's so much fun. So that that was the starting point of my grieving. And so you know, as we know, we grieve, and then we work into mourning. And then we work into the reconciliation, you know, the acceptance that, okay, he's not here in the physical, but I still have a relationship with Him. And so he, you know, he comes in every day, he's beautiful, he's lovely. And the way that I see children on the other side is that when they, when they transition at a younger age, I see them growing up. And so that's the name of the program is growing up in heaven. And then children that are older, when they when they transition, I see them at that age. And so I'd like to make that distinction for people. So yeah, Jack is he's my love bug, he comes in all the time. He's, he's just lovely. And it's, it's near and dear to my heart to connect mothers with their children that they've lost through the, you know, in vitro, or miscarriage, or, you know, a myriad of different ways. Because I find that I find that society has this, this idea that because that child wasn't necessarily here alive in the physical, that it wasn't a real loss, that it wasn't real, it didn't really happen. It's just, it's not a big deal. Just go try again. And so it's just really, I find really important and very special to give a voice to those losses. And to help them to understand that that that was a real loss. Like I said, for six months before we started the in vitro process. He was there, he was a part of our family. Like we felt the energy like his, his joyful, beautiful energy was in the house. And it was just, it was everywhere. And so yeah, that that's my Jack, he's, he's sweet. He's, I'm blessed, I'm blessed to have the relationship that I have with him now. And what I want to change that absolutely in a heartbeat, you know, because I tell people, it's one thing to lose a loved one. When you lose a child, you're losing the dreams and the milestones and walking them down the aisle and, you know, becoming grandparents and, and showing them everything in this world. And so there is a whole other layer to the loss of a child.
Brian Smith 8:06
Yes, yes, absolutely. So, so you were a working medium before before Jack? Right. Okay. I wasn't aware of that when I when I was reading your bio, and check out your website earlier. So I couldn't see. But I'm sure people said to you, and you actually said it. Well, you could just connect with him. So what do you think it is that that causes that or caused that with you that separation for a period of years?
Unknown Speaker 8:34
Absolutely. That's a fantastic question, Brian. Thank you. So there's something I like to explain to people. The, the energy of our loved ones in Spirit is moving so fast. And so if you imagine flicking the light switch on how quickly that current snaps and it illuminates the light in the room. That's how fast spirit energy moves. And now when we are experiencing lower vibrational emotions and feelings such as grief, loss, shame, anger, any any number of those, it's lowering our vibration. And so I was in shock and grief, and probably a bit of shame because I thought, oh my gosh, how could this happen? You know, what did I do wrong? And, and I was in anger, I was angry at myself, my spouse at God, I was angry at everybody. And so when our vibration is that low, it keeps us from being in vibrational sweetspot. I call it where they can connect with us. And so if you imagine, you know that spirit energy is up here. If our energy is down here, it just makes it that much more difficult to bridge that gap and make that connection. That was part of it. The other part of it was I was in just complete shock and disbelief. It was just, I literally couldn't. I couldn't process what had happened. It was like one minute he was there. And we were planning things and we were getting Everything's set up and it was so exciting. And our family and friends knew it was like everybody knew, and everybody was so excited. And then in an instant he was gone. And just experiencing that firsthand that when you are in such a deep, deep grief, that your vibration again, your energy is just so low, and it's just down here. And it's not that it's impossible. You know, I work with a lot of mothers that catch little glimmers usually through their dreams, or when they're just waking up first thing in the morning, it's like that, that conscious mind hasn't taken over yet. And so they can, you know, capture little glimmers of their children on the other side. But that's sort of it in a nutshell. It's just, that's one of the things I teach people, it's just, you know, if you have a nice high vibration, it makes it that much easier for the spirit world to align with your energy and boy that up and make that connection. So you can experience them, you know, you may get, you know, feel shivers or tingles, or you just may feel happiness in your heart, or you may start to feel emotions. And so there are a myriad of different ways that we can experience the spirit world. But it's, it starts with that foundational piece, which is the vibration. And it was so fascinating. Because for like, two, three years, I didn't even I teach this and I didn't even get it. It was like, Ha, it's like I said, it was like Groundhog Day. It was like I was in survival mode. I just I didn't even didn't even realize that I wasn't thriving, I was just just one foot in front of the other. And I you know, I started volunteering at my daughter's school every week, I would go every day if I could, and I've baked, probably 10,000 cupcakes and cookies. And I was like, I just I did everything I could to actually avoid the pain. And there was so much that was wrapped up in it. And like I said, as soon as I could see Jack that day and experience Him energetically, that's when it really started to shift for me.
Brian Smith 11:49
You mentioned earlier you said grief, mourning and acceptance. So explain those how there's what that means to you.
Unknown Speaker 11:57
Absolutely. So the grieving process is the internal and a lot of people understand that there are stages to grief. So we may be angry, we may feel depression, we may have sadness, we may, you know, sort of barter, you know, that's where that guilt comes in. Well, maybe if I'd done something sooner, maybe if we'd done this, there can be the shame, there can be shocks, there can be the I've seen that, you know, different modalities around the stages of grief. And so grief, for my understanding is internal. It's, it's maybe our sleep is disrupted, our thoughts are racing, we feel a myriad of different emotions, and it's all internal. And we're just, we're just doing everything we can to even function. And then as we move through our grief, we move into mourning and, and I'm sure we can all relate to people who were black, you know, they're all dressed in black. And that's mourning is the external expression. And that's where the tears come in. So we're crying and we can oscillate between the two, there's the grief and the morning. And then we come to a place where we understand that we can still have that foundational piece, that foundational relationship with our loved one, whether or not you believe in the afterlife, or heaven or spirit connection or mediumship, there comes a point where we understand that that connection is always going to be there, that we have all those memories that we have all that love, that it's all still available for us to experience. And so that's how I see it. And you know, a lot of a lot of the mothers that I work with, it's they've gone through some of the grieving process, sometimes that's where they get stuck, they just get stuck with it, they just cannot fathom the idea that that child is gone, and they're not coming back. And you know, a lot of a lot of times I hear things like, I'll be happy when I'm reunited with them. You know, I want to die, I want to be with them, I need to be where they are. And what they don't understand is that we can create joy and happiness here while our children are growing up in heaven while children are not here in that physical body. But that's sort of how I see it. I see it as a journey. You know, it's, it's beautiful. It's, it's that's where the healing comes in. You know, we work through the grief, we work through all those emotions, everything that's coming up, you know, a lot of times it's almost like giving, giving mother's permission, permission to be angry, be angry, like just do what you need to to process everything that's coming up for you. They feel like their children have been ripped from them. Okay, we need to process that how can we process that? How can we work through that. So you can just give your loss, the dignity that it requires the grace that it requires to just fully mourn. Our heart doesn't have a timeline, our heart just needs to needs to mend. I felt like my heart had been blown into a million pieces. I thought, oh my gosh, I'm never going to be the same. And I'm not. And that's okay. And so I always tell people, you know, before you lose a child, you're one version. And then after you lose a child or someone else you're different, you're you're you're change and it doesn't have to be negative. It can. I always say let's look for the blessings. Let's look for the blessings and that's part of why I just love what I do because And to be able to give that validation and give that give that sense of peace and hope and meaning that yes, you can experience joy in your life again. And it's funny, I was chatting with someone the other day and she said, I don't know if I'm doing this, right. She said, You know, one minute, I'm crying, and I'm angry, and I want to just lash out at people in the next minute, I feel joyful and happy. And I said, That's it. I said, there's no guidebook, I said, we just have to honor the process. I said, you know, Jack would have been nine this year, and I still I still get triggered sometimes, like, I'll be out somewhere, and I'll see a little boy that would have, you know, looks like him the way that I see him. And it's just like, whoa, whoa, okay. So I see them as pockets of grief. And, you know, I kind of just ride the wave. And it's, it's complex. I mean, you know, there's not one size fits all. And, you know, everyone grieves differently. I've, I've read for families before and, you know, one family members completely accepted it, they're fine. I visit them in my dreams. It's great. It's wonderful. And then someone else who is, you know, maybe stuck in anger, and then someone else who can't even talk about it can't even look at it. So it's just really honoring that process. It's it's so individual.
Brian Smith 16:09
Yeah, it absolutely is. And I love what you there. It's individual. But there's also some things that are very common, are almost universal. And you talked about the anger and the guilt, and shame and all those things that go along with it. And I always want to emphasize when I'm talking with parents, who are who have lost children, that this is normal, that that most of us in fact, I think almost all of us, I don't like to use absolutes, but almost all of us go through some of that we find a way to blame ourselves. It's almost like, you know, we feel like we have to go through that, I guess. I think it's you know, it's fascinating talking to you, and hearing how you talked about basically feeling or getting to meet Jack before he even came into the physical, and then losing him for this period of time. And then kind of getting him back?
Unknown Speaker 17:02
Absolutely, it was, it was, it's a day that is etched in my mind. And you know it from the moment that we decided to have another baby. It was just this instant joy, and this excitement and this anticipation. And you know, like my daughter had her big sister t shirt, and she had a pile of books that she was going to read to him. And I'm going to teach him this, and I'm going to teach them that we have to go here, we have to do that. So he was already a part of our lives for about six months before we even you know, started the process with the doctors and everything that goes along with it. And yeah, and then the day that the day that we lost him, it was just I was I literally couldn't comprehend. It was just like, No, no, and I just I look for everything to keep me busy. I'm going to clean the house, and I'm going to make cupcakes and I'm going to volunteer and I'm going to volunteer again, I'm going to work and I just, I just I didn't even know what I was doing. I didn't and I didn't have this is also the other part of my work is, is I love to, you know, get the message out there to as many people as possible that there is helped work through the grieving process, there is help to, you know, help you navigate this, it's, again, it's almost like, it's almost like people don't know what to say, when you've lost a child. They just don't know what to say they don't want to make it worse, they don't. And a lot of times, they just don't have the capacity to hold that space. It's a very tender space, very tender space. And having gone through it myself. I understand firsthand, it's not a book I've read, it's not a course I took it's I know from the depths of my soul what that feels like. So losing him for those few years. It was like a blur. Like, thank goodness, we took pictures, right? Because it's like, I think I was there at that event I am. I was there but not 100%. Like I wasn't, I wasn't able to show up as the best version of me. And then after I connected with him again, I it probably took me a good year to really work through the grief and the loss and to really accept that this had happened. And again, I would oscillate between the two I would be really angry one day and I just I had this guilt, you know, maybe we should have done this. Or if we we hadn't waited and edited it in, you know, my mind just took over and had a heyday with me. And then Jack would come in and I would feel instant joy. And it was just it was amazing. And I joke with people that I didn't wear mascara for that year because I didn't know when I would start crying. I you know, I would be out driving and I would hear a song and the radio was her crying or I would be you know, out for a walk and I'd hear a mother say Jack and I just be like, I just be gutted. And so I knew that I knew that things were getting better. When I was able to start wearing mascara again. I know it sounds ridiculous. But you know, the day that I put mascara on and it was like at the end of the day I thought oh my gosh, I haven't cried today. Oh, I haven't cried today I thought oh my gosh. Okay, so that was part of, you know, reconciling that. Okay, I'm gonna get through this I love Marie Forleo always says everything is figured out double. So during that year, I just kept saying everything's figured out well I'm gonna figure this out, I'm going to find a way, I know that I know that God has a plan for my life. I don't know what this looks like, and I don't have all the answers, but I'm just gonna keep showing up. And I allowed it to be messy. And I allowed it to, you know, there's some days, I didn't want to get to bed, there were some days where it was like, I don't want to talk to anybody, I don't want to get out of bed, I want to just, I want to sit with this. And I just I want to stay in that space. And then other days where it was just, you know, it was just so important for me to connect with other mothers who have lost children, it was so important to be able to share and give inspiration that that there is more, there's so much more.
Brian Smith 20:34
I think it's what you said is so important, is to let that grief flow. Because, you know, everybody comes with it differently. And on the surface, like you were you were saying you were volunteering to do all this stuff. So someone might say, oh, Sean is doing great. But you weren't feeling the feelings. And we have to we have to go through that. It is messy. And we've got we've got to feel those feelings. And so some people go through I call it grief fog, where it's like, like you said, for a couple of years, you're like, I don't remember whether I was there or not. You know, we had someone that just came to work on our house the other day is a guy that we've known for many years. And he was at Shane as my daughter's service. And I said something about you know, Shayna, he goes I know I was there. And I'm like, Yeah, I don't remember that day. I don't remember you being there. But yeah, we just kind of go into that place where our brains it's just too much too much for us to handle.
Unknown Speaker 21:26
Exactly It is and you know, and like I said, people would say to me, Well, your medium, you can just connect with him. What's the big deal? And then I felt that I felt kind of silly. I was like, why I am a medium? Why can I connect with him I connect with? I can connect with everyone else's child? Where's mine? Where did he go? What happened? Like, it was just, it was such a huge disconnect. I like what you said it was a total fog. You know, like, I look back over what Emma was doing this project at school and, and it was, she had to go back and find pictures from from different spots in her with her sporting events. And we were going through the pictures and it was like, oh my god, I was there. Okay. Wow, God, we have pictures these Yeah, I was the same thing. It was like,
Unknown Speaker 22:08
okay, yeah, I don't even don't even remember. So it was like, it was like showing up like, as a shell of myself almost. And sure to the outside world. It was, hey, hi, how are you? Yeah, things are great. And then you know, there were so many Oh, especially if your client days, I would, you know, finish up my with client days. And then I would have to be alone for an hour after because I would be bawling. And I'd be a blubbering mess. And I just, I'd have to put myself back together again. And so there were so many times where I would just be like, I'll be right back, I just have to get something, I would literally go in the next room and just, Okay, I've got this, it's fine, it's fine, I've got this, I've got this, I've got this. And then of course around around my sacred circle, as I call them, you know, my girlfriends and, and, you know, my sisters and people that I felt, had earned the right to hear my story, the people that didn't tell me to, you know, you could have done something different, or they didn't negate my pain or, you know, they didn't get, you know, really silent and not know what to say, the people that could just sit with it and say, Is there something I can do? Talk about it, talk about it, as long as you need to be you need another glass of wine. It was just, those were my people. And then I would spend time with them and nature. I'm a huge advocate to spending time in nature. And so it's I think it's just really important to, you know, acknowledge that yes, it is messy, and it's painful. But there is light at the end of the tunnel, and I find probably 80% of the women that come to work with me, they're stuck, there's somewhere along that journey, they've become stuck. And that's, that's also the work that I love to do is to help them to understand what is it that's keeping it stuck? What is it, it's usually a story, there's a story, we could have done something different. I was supposed to die first. You know, I won't be happy until and so once we start to look at what those stories are, we can start to shift and change them. And again, acknowledging the pain, I'm not trying to erase what's happened, I'm not trying to brush over the pain. It's, it's acknowledging the pain and giving it a safe container to to process and for us to work through, while also starting to look toward the future. What is it that I'd like to create? What is the legacy that I'd like to create from my child's life here in the physical however long that was, even if it wasn't, you know, like I said, miscarriages or, you know, ectopic pregnancies, things like that, like what, is there still a legacy that we can leave I mean, we are able to tap into a completely different aspect of ourselves if we're willing to go there. I mean, I have a deeper self resiliency, this self resiliency that I didn't know was there before and like I said, I said every day, okay, let's figure out well, I don't know how this is gonna work out. You guys need to help me out with this. It was it was really messy. And what I've come to realize is that life is messy regardless of have, you know any kind of loss that we've had, or, or any tragedies that we've had I mean, those, those those add to that as well. But life is messy. And I think it's, it's meant to be messy because in the mess, figuring out the mess and understanding that we have a closer connection to who we are. And we gain that clarity as to, okay, where would I like this to go. And you know, a lot of people, I tell them, and this isn't, again, to negate their loss or their pain, I tell them, suffering is a choice. So we can get up in the morning and we can put the suffering hat on, or we can put on maybe possibilities, or how much fun Can I have today. And maybe I can start to look forward to something again today. And again, they're baby steps, it doesn't all just erase and we get a reset, and we're happy and joyous all of a sudden. But yeah, that that suffering really is a choice. And, and a lot of people I find they stay in that suffering, it's almost, it's almost like they want to they're honoring their child or honoring that loss by staying in the suffering. And it's, no, they're from the work I do as a medium, they're happy on the other side, they are continuing to grow and their souls are growing and shifting and changing. And, you know, I had I read for one mom, and she said, you know, her son was 17 when he transitioned, and he was going to go to flight school and he always had airplanes and, and you know, every Halloween he dressed up as a pilot and, and it was flying and flying and flying and flying. And when he came through, and I connected him with his soul, that's part of his soul's journey, he's always been connected to flying and aviation and freedom and possibilities. And, and she started to see wings everywhere. And I said that that's your sign from him. And so as our, our children are transitioning, and they're on the other side, as I see it, I call it heaven, you can call it, whatever.
Unknown Speaker 26:47
They continue with that soul's journey. So he's continuing to learn about aviation, and he's continuing to experience everything that lights his soul up. And that's one of the big lessons too is, you know, I forgot what lit my soul up for so many years. And so it was rekindling that and reconnecting into what is it that brings me joy on a soul level, aside from being Jack's mom, because I'll always be Jack's mom. But what is it that really lights up my soul and really connects in with my heart and, and how I like to share that with the world. And so a lot of a lot of big soul lessons that that I was able to really chew into through this whole experience.
Brian Smith 27:23
So I was I typically like to ask people what they think about like pre birth planning. Now, obviously you believe in pre existence, because you said you you knew Jack before he came. So what do you think, though about pre birth planning? Was this something that was planned for you? And for Jack? Or how do you feel about that?
Unknown Speaker 27:41
Hmm, absolutely. That's a great question. So from my perspective, from, you know, the teachings and the learnings and, you know, reading for 1000s of people over the years, our souls choose, they choose, it's almost like we have a blueprint for our life for the incarnation. And so part of my experience with Jack was that it helped me, it helped me to have a greater capacity for love. And in that, I mean, it helped me to push through, and, and not give up. I think there were so many times where I just wanted to give up because like, I don't want to be here, I don't want to be here. I want to be where he is. And so for my soul's growth and souls experience it was, it was really about, you know, connecting into really honoring that connection. And for me, it's a little bit different because I have that connection reestablished now with him. So for me, it's like he's here in the physical anyway, like, that's how strong the connection is. And so it's really, really looking at that. And I really was able to find that that inner resiliency and find, you know, my faith was was was knocked around, you know, I had a, you know, I thought, Well, if there's a God, then why would he take Jack like, Why? Why did this happen. And so there was a lot of a lot of the ego and from, from my experience, working through all of this, you know, my soul's growth and soul's journey, it was really about just keeping, keeping centered in the midst of all of it, because it was so easy to get taken away over here. And then if somebody said something about you could have just tried again, I'd be over there. And then I just it really, I just really had to anchor myself. And it really helped me to, it really helped me to unleash my gifts in a different way. And help me to really connect into helping people shift from that suffering into thriving, helping people to rebuild their lives, helping people to find meaning again, because I had to do it for myself. And now for Jack. He experienced that brief time that he was here energetically, that helped his soul grow as well. And I like to tell people you know, we have What I refer to as our soul group or our soul family, so our soul group could be hundreds of souls. And so yeah, Jack was a part of this incarnation, and we've had other lives together, and we'll have other lives together in the future. But the way that he came into this incarnation, he only needed to come in for a brief amount of time, to experience what his soul needed in this lifetime. And now he's taken that, and he's kind of gone off, and he's run off with it. And so that's how I see it. I like to, I like to explain that that you know, there are, there's a bigger plan to all of it. And I don't have all the answers, I'm the first person to say that, but there is a bigger plan at work. And sometimes that will help us to find solace that will help us to, you know, mend our heartbreak, just knowing that we're part of a bigger plan that this wasn't senseless. This, this wasn't, you know, this didn't have, you know, it's not like it didn't have meaning like, they're every child's life who, you know, whatever that look like, there's meaning and there's purpose, and it's just, it's really important for us to discover and really figure out what is the legacy? What is the legacy of that, I mean, for Jack, I mean, he, he comes in all the time, and his energy is all around and, and he's with other children on the other side. And he's, you know, as part of developing the program, teaching moms how to make the connection, and he's, he's just sort of interweaving his energy into everything. And I wouldn't have that beautiful gift of his energy to share with the world. If I hadn't experienced him the way that I did.
Brian Smith 31:34
Wow, yes, I love that. I love that. And that's, that's a great answer. Because, you know, it's, it's really difficult when we lose a child, and I hate that word, lose a child. But when a child transitions before we do as a parent, and I was just talking with the client the other day, or some was like 19. And it's really easy for us to say, what could be the meaning in this, you know, there shouldn't shouldn't have a guide should never do this to a parent or to a child. So one thing I do want to get your thoughts on, because I find you mentioned earlier, especially with parents, we mourn the loss of the future that we perceived the, in your case, going to kindergarten, you know, going to, you know, that prom, getting married, all the things that we dream about. And we say, My child is missing that. So if a parent came to you and said, I feel bad, because my son or my daughter is missing that, how would you answer them?
Unknown Speaker 32:32
Hmm, that's a very good question. Very good question. I would I would look at reframing the story I would look at, I would look at shifting that instead of looking at what isn't going to happen, I would start to bring it back to let's connect into what's here now. Because our minds can take us in a myriad of different ways with things. And what we think about is what we start to draw into our reality. So and this is where a lot of people get stuck, you know, they're supposed to be here. And, and, you know, there was someone I read for a few years ago, and she was just in this deep depression. And she said, you're not supposed to outlive your, your, your children. She said, this is this is just not right. And she said, I can't it's almost like she put a stake in the ground and she said, I'm not going to enjoy my life until I am with him till I'm reunited with him. And I gently said to her, I said, Okay, or, or I say to people, I play devil's advocate, or what if, what if your child wants more
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Unknown Speaker 34:41
What if your child is happy there are peace on the other side. And sometimes I don't know what the souls lessons are. I don't have anything more to give parents from that perspective. But what if you can still have that connection and still feel all that love and all the possibilities? They're just not here in the physical with us? What if they're is more to what we see in the physical reality? And what if? What if we could put down the guilt or the shame or the anger? Or what if we could move that aside, and we could start to reclaim our life, we could start to, you know, and I tell people, I say Jack is in my heart, that's where he's, he's just tucked away in my heart. And no one can take that from me, no one, no one can take that from me. And his energy is all around me. And I have heart rocks, and I just, I've been able to shift it into something positive. And that took work. And that took, you know, getting in the arena with the ugly stuff and sitting with the messy days, but it's, it's really just about making the choice. Again, like I used to say, you know, I don't I know that God has a plan for my life. I don't know what that looks like, I don't have all the answers. But I trust that I'm being guided, and I'm being, you know, shown how to move through this. So that I can create a legacy of Jack I can, again, share his energy and share that insight and, and give hope and possibilities, knowing that our children are safe, and they're at peace, and that they're all around us. They became they become our greatest cheerleaders from the other side. I mean, I always tell people, you know, take lots of pictures at family functions, weddings, birthdays, anniversaries, because you'll usually see orbs of light, you'll usually see sprinkles of light in the pictures. And those of your children are there. They're with us. They're just not here in the physical.
Brian Smith 36:26
So how how I've two questions, I'll ask them one at a time. So how do you experience Jack now?
Unknown Speaker 36:32
How do I experience Jack now? So just a spiritual gifts 101. There are four main ways that spirit connects with us. And so clairvoyance. So I may, you know, see an image of Jack in my mind, it may look like a little bit of a movie that's playing in my mind, I may see sparkles of light repeating numbers, he's in my dreams. There's also clear audience, which is clear hearing. And so I may hear Mama, I may hear Jack, I may hear his laughter. I may be driving and I'll think oh, I should change the radio. And I'll turn it on. And there's a song and it's like, oh my gosh, that's Jack Clairsentience is clear feeling. So whenever Jack is near me, I literally feel it feels like champagne bubbles in my heart. It's like my heart starts to warm up. It's like, where are you, I can feel you. And then we have clear cognizance and our clear cognizance is our clear knowing. So sometimes I just kind of look up from what I'm doing. And I just know he's here. And so those are the four main ways that our children connect with us from the other side. And part of what I love teaching, as I love teaching people, which is their strongest gift, and helping them to understand what those signs and symbols are. So they understand when it is their child that's coming through. I have, you know, probably hundreds of people a week say to me, am I going crazy? Is this? My am I experiencing them? Or am I making this stuff up? And yeah, I mean, spirit energy is very subtle. And so if we're busy in our minds, if we're making lists, and we're going here, and we're going there and you don't like me avoiding it at all costs, we're not going to receive those subtle impulses, we're not going to receive those little snippets of clarity and excitement.
Brian Smith 38:11
Great, great answer. Thank you. So now I want to shift it to the other side. So what do you think our children that are in heaven are experiencing?
Unknown Speaker 38:20
I love this question. So what I have seen is that, again, their souls journey is, is still experiencing soul growth on the other side. So what I see when I, you know, when I'm connecting into those realities in that realm is, you know, Jack is shown, it looks like you know, different schools, and they're working with different guides, and, and they're exploring, and they're experiencing, and there's a lot of play. I mean, you know, a lot of the signs and symbols that come through from children. I mean, they love balloons, and they love bubbles, and they love, you know, butterflies and crickets, and lots of little boys that come through in readings have like, like frogs and creepy spiders and things like that. And so they're still experiencing life on the other side. They're just not in this physical reality. So whatever that child imagine, you know, a five year old how much fun they have and what they love to do. They're still doing that on the other side. And again, from that souls journey, that souls perspective, they are continuing to explore that, like the example I gave earlier of a little boy who was so interested in aviation before he came into this reality and then was planning to be a pilot, and, you know, he's still exploring that and more as they're growing up on the other side.
Brian Smith 39:33
I love that because I think a lot of times, you know, we deal with this idea we have of heaven to use that word is sounds. I mean, when I was a kid, I said to myself, it sounds boring. You know, it's like we play harps or we, you know, we've seen which sit on clouds and so, when a parent says to me, my child is missing out. I think that's because of we think they're don't they Don't do anything we are. It's always wait. It's always day, right? But we have to remember, we all go there. So it's not them on us. It's, it's us. But when we go there, we still get to do stuff. And that's, that's what I'm hearing from your answer.
Unknown Speaker 40:13
Oh, absolutely. So I mean, if, you know, if your child was musically inclined, they are still playing musical instruments on the other side, if they were a hockey player, they're still experiencing that it's just energetically. And so there's still the joy and the excitement and the passion and the drive, all of that still exists, they just do not have their physical body. So yes, they are playing sports, and they're playing, and they're learning and they're reading and they're studying, and they're furthering their growth. You know, I always tell people, you know, when, when a child when a soul transitions from the physical body, they're not alone, there are guides and angels and benevolent energies and beings and our other loved ones who are waiting to take them into that other realm, if you call it, and so they're not. I used to think that as well. I thought, what we just did, we can become angels, we just, you know, become chubby, and we sit on clouds. And, you know, we sing and that's all we do. Now, there's, there's so much more. So it's literally, you know, it's, it's unlimited, what they're doing on the other side. And so I've seen glimmers of what it is. And to me, they look like Soul schools. I mean, they're, you know, they're in classrooms, and they're learning and they're exploring, because their souls are still growing. And you know, figuring out, you know, the other part of it too is when we leave the physical, there is a life review. Okay, why did we incarnate, what did we experience and oftentimes, that soul will experience the effects of their behaviors and their actions and their words, through the eyes of the people that they most impacted with the people that they most loved. And it's amazing, because you can see the unconditional love, you can see the joy, you can experience how uplifted everyone was from having that soul here in this reality. And so it's always positive. And that's, that's, I think, where people get stuck like they're there. They're focused on they're not here, they're not here, they're not here, they're not here. And that perpetuates the pain. Instead, I like to be the invitation to, you can still connect, you can still connect, you can still feel them that love will never die, that connection can never be lost. Yes, it's a journey to get there. It's a journey to get your mind around it. But it just there's there more possibilities. That's the invitation that I love to give people I said, What if there's more just I'm just giving you the idea that what if there is more? What if there? There could be more? What if this, isn't it? What if you could make that connection? What if, what if you can still feel your child all around you, like I said, I feel Jack all the time, we used to I used to dream of him just about nightly, those six months leading up to when we started the in vitro, and every night, we would go flying. And so I would wake up and it would just be like, Oh, Jack, it's like he was in the room with me, it was so real. And I have that again, like whenever he comes in, I feel his little hands slip in my hand, I just close my eyes, and I can just feel him all around me. And it's just, it's such a beautiful gift. I love love love to give that gift to other parents, for them to be able to experience their child on the other side. And just and a lot of people are afraid to experience their child on the other side, because they think it's gonna break their heart again, they think that they're not gonna be able to, to get through it. They're just they can't even fathom that idea. So I love to give, give the possibility, what if there's more? What if there's more?
Brian Smith 43:35
So I want to ask you about this term that we use the physical. So you said I heard you say, they don't have the we don't, they don't have their physical bodies anymore. And I hear a lot of people say that. But I also hear you say that we can play hockey on the other side. So how do you reconcile those two things,
Unknown Speaker 43:52
right? So it's just it's energetically, it's energetically and so again, it's just limitless, it's whatever sport that they were involved in, they can still energetically connect into it. And, and just, it's, yeah, they're, they're not on the ice with their, their stick and their Puck, you know, in the physical sense, but energetically, they can still connect into it energetically, they're still very much a part of everything that lift them up everything that brought them joy, all the fun, all the joy all the all the innocence like it just all of all of that energy is still there that they connect into and they play with and again, children are experiencing, you know, playing musical instruments and, and writing and reading and all of those different beautiful things and so, it's I liked what you said, you know, it's thinking about well, they're not here they're missing out. But what if what if they're not like in what if they're What if they're still continuing to marinate in those energies and you know, enjoy, you know, hockey as an example, you know, what if they're still really enjoying that, and what if, what if they become guides to other people in their family who may be there? somebody else in their family that loved hockey. And maybe that's the way that they connect with that person. Right? Like maybe it's, you know, oftentimes I will see, you know, many dads sitting on the couch watching hockey, and I'll see children beside them watching with them. And so there's still that connection, whatever those those shared experiences where those shared, loves, if you will, they can still be a part of it. While they're not in that physical form, they can still very much be a part of our world. You know, it's funny, there was a wedding I went to several years ago. And after they they got the pictures back. It was a friend of mine. She said, This is really weird. She's I have to show you this. She said, You know, they took pictures of, you know, there's Brian was at the front, his name was Brian, Brian was at the front waiting for me. And she said, and they took pictures down the aisle. And she said, there were all these empty spots. But they had like, these these lights like these lit up. I don't even know what that is. And she showed me and I said, Well, those were loved ones at the wedding. Those were loved ones in spirit who were there. And she said, That is so crazy. And I said, they are part of our world, whether or not we get that whether or not we believe it's even possible. They're here, they're here. They're here to console us energetically, when we're working through our grief and our mourning. They're here when we're in our deepest despair. They're here when we're celebrating, they're here when we hit those milestones, and we're excited. They're here. They're alongside us for the journey.
Brian Smith 46:25
Yeah, I think that's absolutely true. And I think that's really important, especially for us parents to keep in mind is that they are, they are still here with us, even while they're there. Wherever, wherever there is. Because as I said, I think there is no here and there, it's just it's all one big place. It's just there, were at a different vibrational level, I love the way you put that earlier. You know, it's kind of like different radio frequencies if you're on the FM dial, right. So if we're, if we're tuned in to 92, we're only going to pick up 92. There, they're at 98. They, they're still just as real and I, I'm still forming this model in my mind, and I am I am an engineer, so I get really deep into this stuff. Because everything is energy, what we call the physical is just slowed down energy. So it's all energy. So when we say they don't have a physical body anymore, I say they don't have a body that we can perceive.
Unknown Speaker 47:20
Exactly. Yeah, exactly. That's perfect. Our physical energy, it's just, it's dense, it's dense, it's heavy, it's anchored. Absolutely, I love that. They just they don't have that same physical, dense thing that we can touch. It's there, but we just, we're just not able to touch it, it just doesn't have that density. And I loved what you were saying, you know, I often say to people, you know, making the connection spiritually, is like an old fashioned radio dial, we tune into the frequency, you know, the angelic realm is one frequency, my grandmother has a completely different frequency. Jack is that similar frequency. And so it's just yeah, it's all energy. And when we understand that, I mean, we are energy, we are energy, everyone has energy, we're creating energy as we're talking today. And all of the energy that's being created on on this talk is going to be felt by the different people who are meant to listen to this and hear this and just, you know, it's just, it's, it's all about vibration and energy. And people think that sounds just so crazy. But it's true. It's, that's all it is. It's just they don't have this physical representation, as you were saying, they just don't have this dense physical form. They still have a form, it's just it's light. It's, it's so much lighter. And it's just, it's still very much real. And you know, that's what people people get stuck with that they're like, it's not real, because I can't see it. I can't touch it. But then I say to them, how do you know you're breathing oxygen? Can you see it? Can you touch it? Can you buy a package at the store and bring it home and consume it? I said, How do you know? And so then people kind of go, oh, how do I know I'm breathing? It's just, it's what if there's more is is really the invitation? It's like, what if there is more? And then oftentimes people are I have people that reach out and say, Okay, I think I think I'm getting it like I I feel goosebumps. And then I start thinking of my loved one. Like is that them? Yeah, it is them. And so it's really cool. And once I teach people, once they start to acknowledge it, they get it and they acknowledge it more, please. And it'll happen again and again and again and again. And it becomes really fun, man. It just it really does.
Brian Smith 49:24
Yeah, exactly. And I as I said, you know, being being from the scientific background, because I talk to people like you all the time, and we talked about energy vibration, and people think, oh, that's all just New Age thinking. That's all just woowoo stuff and and like no, it's really based upon what we know. So I use the analogy like light, we can only see a small spectrum of the light wave. There's, there's so much more than that our eyes physically cannot perceive. We know it exists, but we can't perceive it. And that's the way I that's the way I view the spirit world. It's very real. It's just as real as what we are and when light sleeve flat was doing his physical medium experiments and people would come in and the people in that were setting would say, No, can you? What what do you do over there? And the guys like I do everything I did when I was there. Well, is it solid? Solid to me? Yes.
Unknown Speaker 50:15
Exactly. Exactly, exactly. It's perfect, right? Like, it's, it's so amazing. So we do, I offer a group meditation, we usually do them once a month. And in the meditation, I will journey people across the Rainbow Bridge to experience their child on the other side. And it's the coolest thing because it's like, and depending on what their gifts are, if they've, if they've delved into this reality before, just, you know, everyone is welcome. And you know, everybody has their own experience with it. But I just I want them to just experience that energy experience their child in that different form, experience them like, no, sometimes, you know, I can feel Jack coming, I can feel him like I can physically feel him feels like he wraps his arms around me. And that's amazing. But not everybody experiences spirit in that way. And it doesn't mean that mine's better than yours isn't. It's just I love to open it up for people, because then there was this one lady that said, I didn't get anything. Nothing at all. I said, really? I said, Of course I get purely curious. I said really? You didn't You didn't receive anything? She says no. I said you didn't feel the hair on the back of your neck stand up? She goes. Yes, I did. And I said, and you didn't feel a tug on your hair. And she said, Oh, she's, I feel that all the time. Oh, my gosh, I said, Yeah, our logical mind is quick to go, man, there was a draft. Oh, Mr. Got stuck on my shirt. Oh, our logical mind is always looking for ways to kind of fill in the blank of where it goes. And I said spirit, that there are a myriad of different ways that they will bring their energy closer to you to experience and again, depending on how your gifts work, and how open and available you are, will depend on how you experience them. As Yeah, I love to love to help people experience that just so they can bring that energy in. And then they can just start to notice how your body is feeling. Notice what you're thinking notice what what thoughts are coming up, are you you know, are you picturing something, you know, and sometimes people will even smell things or they'll start to taste different things like when my grandmother's around a smell lily of the valley, or my grandfather's around, I smell cigarette smoke, you know, so it's just, it's just being it's, it's how open and available are we? And just I invite people to step into that arena. It's like, alright, let's, let's see where this takes us and just kind of drop the walls, and just let it be what it's going to be. And oftentimes, they're really surprised by what they do experience. And then they and then afterwards, they'll usually say, oh my gosh, I've been feeling like the hair on the back of my neck for probably a year. And it's like, yeah, that's um, that's you responding to their energy. And so it's just it's beautiful to give them that confirmation to understand again, as you were saying, they're still doing everything they did here, just not here in this dense physical reality that we know that we are in.
Brian Smith 53:01
Yes. And what you said, again, I think is so key because I've been through exercises like that where you try to connect with your with your love on the other side. And a lot of us against specially people like me, I'm very, very logical, very grounded, I guess I'd say for lack of a better word. I'm like, Okay, I want to hear them. I want to see them. I want to experience them the way that that Shana experiences them. And it's different for everybody. So I would do a couple of things. I'm like, I'm not getting anything, I'm not getting anything. And then I realized that it's it's usually subtle. And it's different for everyone. So we want we want what the other person has, as opposed to getting what that are unique connection with that person. So it takes a while to I guess it's like learning a language learning their language, how it was, how did they affect me when they're around? Some people experienced them on the right side, some people experienced them on their left side. And I've heard people say, if it's on my right, it's my sister of it's on my left. It's my grandmother and you learn that?
Unknown Speaker 53:58
Oh, absolutely. I you know, it's funny because, you know, 99% of people that come to me, they say, I want to see, I want to see clairvoyantly I want to see them. Make it happen. And I'll say to them, but when you woke up this morning, did you not hear someone whisper your name? Ah, oh my God. Yes, that's them. Because your Claire audience gift is your strongest. So when you understand which one of the gifts is spiritual gifts, and everybody else them just depends on if they want to open them or not. When you understand what your strongest spiritual gift is, then you can start to understand your child, your loved one on the other side will utilize your strongest gift to connect with you. And then we can start to hone in on that. And then once we have that gift, kind of I say once we have that one up and running, and we've got it polished, and you clearly understand when you're experiencing them, then we can shift gears into perhaps the clairvoyance and so I find a lot of people are like no I want to see them. I want to I want to see them and hear them. I want to talk to them. Like I talked to them when they were here. And it doesn't work like that and so, you know, it's it's funny to say to people it's like, it's like, you know, those FBI shows where, where they're in the interrogation room, they've got the guy there, and they're talking to him, and they're asking him questions. And then they've got that, that mirror, and they've got the other people behind the mirror, and they're listening to see what he says. That's kind of what it's like, right? Like, spirit can see us and they're just, there's sometimes there's that Miss connect, there's just like, oh, like, they can see everything, and they can understand it. And it's just, it starts to become frustrating. Because I find people just push away whatever it is, like, you know, a lot of people heat up or they get cold, or they feel temperature shift in the room, I know I do. Like, I'll either heat up or I got ice cold, I feel, you know, goosies, I'll get goosies I'll start to get emotional. So I have all these different experiences. And it's all relating to the energies that are around me. So when we're open to whatever that's going to look like, and I tell people just let go of any preconceived notions let go of any expectations as to how you think it should be how you want it to be, because you're missing a whole beautiful experience. You're missing it. There was my, when I first met my husband at the time, his dad, we flew back to Ontario here in Canada. And the day we were leaving, he said, Oh my gosh, will you look at that. And he looked down and on his hand was this huge dragonfly it had to have when a wingspan of about five inches, it was huge. And it just sat on his hand the whole time. And I was like, Can we bring it home? I said, No, no, his family is here. We're gonna leave him here. There was a huge butterfly there. Sorry, dragonfly. So a few months later, I finished up a hike just outs out here in the mountains. And I got back to the car, and I got the call that Terry had transitioned that he had died. And I said, Okay, I'm about 45 minutes away. I'll be home soon. So I hang up the phone, and all I hear is get out of the car. And I thought, okay, so I get out of the car. And there were hundreds of dragonflies flying around the car. And I just froze. And that moment, I was just like, ah, Terry, you're okay, you've made the transition. And I could hear him and I, you know, through my tears, I could kind of see him and it was just like, oh my gosh, and to this day, you know, I see dragonflies and that's Terry. And so it's just, it's, it's just such a beautiful way for us to experience that world. And I mean, if I wasn't open and available to the possibility, I would miss it. I'd be like, Wow, that's cool. Lots of dragonflies and wonder what they're doing. Interesting. Whereas instantly I got out and he was like, I could feel him I could make that connection. Like it just, it's magical. It's fun. It you know, I say to people, you know, our signs and symbols from heaven are like little sprinkles of love. They're just they're letting us know that they're here. They're finding ways in the physical to let us know that they're with us. It could be flickering the lights, it could be turning the TV on and off. It could be you know, helping us to find heart rocks. We may find diamonds we could find feathers. We you know, there's so many different signs and symbols that they are. And they're they're even more excited when someone gets it. That that's them. Like my grandfather. He always leaves dimes everywhere. So I have a container full of dimes are from him. I find them in the weirdest places in the sink. The cat was playing with one. You know, they just they just sort of show up. And every time I get one I say thanks, grandpa. More, please More, please. They're even more excited when we get there. Like yes, yes, yes. Yes.
Brian Smith 58:21
I have to I have to interject here. We mentioned dimes. Because this happened to me just like two days ago. So my, my sign for my daughter's dimes. So when she passed, I said, you know, I don't want pennies. You know, I want it to be down to the you don't find all the time. So a couple days ago, I take a walk every morning. I'm coming back from my walk, I look down. There's two dimes laying next to each other on the sidewalk. So I pick them up, I take a picture of it. I posted on Facebook a few minutes later, Facebook memory comes up from four years ago, my wife and I were on a helping parents heal conference. And we found 77 cents in the in the pocket of this the bus that we were writing. And her father was 77 when he passed. And so I I made a post about that. And so that comes up right after I find the two dimes. So I post this and this. There's a point here just because there's a guy that he's follows me on Facebook, and he says this is just random stuff. He goes in he said, sarcastic I'm sure the universe really cares about your pocket change. Brian, the whole universe is conspiring to give you pocket change. And I say this because people will shoot down what you and I take his side. I thought that was pretty phenomenal that I hadn't found any times in a while I find two dimes. And then just a few minutes later this memory comes up reminded me of what happened four years ago with we found exactly 77 cents. That's beautiful. I
Unknown Speaker 59:45
love that. And they're talking right now like how are we going to answer this? So there there are there are a couple of different pieces to this. So first and foremost, people will negate or question or judge and what they don't understand. And when it comes to spirit communication, what I found time and time again, are the people that that have to kind of knock it or Yeah, right? That's Sure. Sure, sure, sure, are people that have had a loss, and they haven't fully grieved it, they haven't fully moved through it. And to further that, I would say 99% of those people, because they eventually always come back to me at some point, it's really fascinating. They have spiritual gifts to connect with the other side that they don't want to acknowledge. They don't want to even touch it. They're like, Nope, I'm going to make you wrong. Because I know, I'm not even going to touch that in myself. Yeah, it is really interesting. And so I had there was this one client, and I can he tells me all the time, yeah, share the story, share the story. His name's Gary. And he's about six foot six is huge, burly man. And when he lost his daughter, he was so angry. And he and his wife came to see me and he was like, this is just a bunch of BS. And he's like, I don't know what you're talking about. And this is, this is just, this isn't what God had planned. And, and I don't believe in God anymore. And this is ridiculous. And he got up and he left and it was just like, Okay, I just I meet people where they're at. I just thought, Okay, well, maybe we helped with a little bit of his healing. We'll see. So about three months later, he called me and he said, I something just happened, I need to talk to you. And I said, Okay. And so his sign from his daughter, were butterflies. And so he was in the yard. And they used to, they used to hike together. They were, you know, that a cabin near the water. And so there was one day where he was out. And he said all day, he could, he could smell her like he he said I could smell her and, and I could just feel her and I thought about her all day. And it was just, it was constant. And I swear I heard her say dad, and and he said, I just thought it was losing my mind. And he said, I went my SAT, I sat in the chairs that we used to sit in by the water. And he said, I kind of dozed off. And he said, When I woke up, there were I was covered with butterflies. And he said, I just started to cry. And I started to cry. And I started to cry. And he said, That was her. I know in my heart that was her. And he said I just I couldn't even fathom the idea that she'd been taken that soon. I couldn't even I thought I was her, her father, her protector, I should have been able to save her, This shouldn't have happened. And so it was really cool. And then he got this really, really neat tattoo with a butterfly with her name in it, it was just, it was the neatest thing ever. And so it's there's often a reason you know why someone would, why they're not willing to look at the possibility. So there are several, you know, there are a few different things that I've seen over the years, as I've shared as to why someone would say, Man, that's not real. That's crazy.
Brian Smith 1:02:51
Well, I you know, the thing is, as, as we're talking, and I have a lot of friends that are mediums, and I think a lot of us put mediums, like in a special category, like they think that you sit down with their loved one sitting in a chair across from them. And you can see them and you can hear them. And it's just like, you know, it's like talking, you know, like, like, they're just sitting there. But I find that for most of people, and you can tell me how you experience it. It's more subtle. It's the stuff that we get. It's impressions, it's smells, it's taste, it's that that little sense of knowing. So how was it for you when you're doing a reading for someone? Do you how do you perceive the loved one coming through?
Unknown Speaker 1:03:29
That's a great question. That's a great question. Because no two mediums do it the same, right? We all have different gifts and our loved ones on the other side. When that energy is really aligned with the right medium, that energy is aligned. When I read for people, I want them to feel their loved one in the room. So sometimes I will come in I want, I want to know what their personality was like. So I will come in and if they you know, we're we're jovial and fun and mischievious I bring that into the energy and it's almost like people will say to me, oh my God, you're like him, like you just stepped into him. And it's just like, yeah, like, I allow that energy to come through me. And I have conversations with them. So they come in, I asked them, you know, I asked them to show themselves to me at their happiest. And so that depends on, you know, which you know who that loved one is. So they come in at their happiest. And then they start to show me different signs. And I asked them, you got to give me stuff that nobody can Google because, you know, people could say, well, I saw you on Facebook, you just you just looked on my Facebook page and that's where you got all that from. So I want I want evidence I want not to prove that I'm amazing. But just to give them the validation and to help them to open up to the possibility that it's real. And so I have I have the loved ones come in and I tell them I explain you know who it is and what I'm seeing and what I'm and they utilize all of my gifts. So I will see and hear and know and feel and I can smell cigarette smoke. I can And, you know, sometimes I'll taste something. And then I just start relaying the information, and the guides will come in as well. And so the guides will come in and start to help. And it's almost like we sort of create this, again, this sacred container where I'm channeling the loved one. But we also have their guides coming in to help with the healing process, and to help align the energies and strengthen the energy so that they can start to communicate with their loved ones and experience them and, and know when they're connecting with them on the other side, it's, again, there's no two ways of doing it. And that's just how I've always done it, it's just like, they just come in, sometimes I get names, it just, it depends on what the person needs to hear from me is really what it comes down to. So if I'm reading for someone, and they need to hear a name, than the names come through, if they need to hear, you know, a date, if that's important to them, that will come through, if they, you know, oftentimes they need to, they need to have the confirmation, you know, how that that person died, how the child died, how that person died. And then there's always grief, and there's always guilt. And so we I work from those energetic perspectives as well, because it's, it isn't just relaying the information, it's just it's, it's creating, creating a space in their hearts, they can actually receive the energy that will help them to heal and, and help them to rebuild their life and help them to, again, create that legacy of that child that loved one, while they're still here in this dense physical reality, and their loved ones are in that that energetic space.
Brian Smith 1:06:34
Absolutely. Shadow, we're coming to the end of our time, I want to I still have so much more I want to talk to you about this. So I want to talk to you about obviously, people can reach you for reading. So I assume you're still doing readings. Yes. So we'll give your website here in a minute. But you have a program that people can can take. So tell me about the program? Oh, I
Unknown Speaker 1:06:53
do. Thank you. Yes, the program is growing up in heaven. So it's a seven step process. It's the seven step process that I went through to reconnect with Jack. And so it takes you through different components. And it's you know, we can
Brian Smith 1:07:18
see Alright, so we had a little technical difficulty that I was just joking with Sean I'm mediums do this. Every time I interview on medium, there's something goes on with electronics. I was asking you about your your program. So tell everybody about how they can put your programs about?
Unknown Speaker 1:07:36
Oh, absolutely, it is the growing up in heaven program. It's a program that I developed, that took it took me through these exact steps to be able to connect with jack on the other side. So it was connecting with my own soul, it was understanding my gifts, and my strongest gift that Jack was going to utilize, it was understanding the signs, meeting my spirit guides that were going to help with the connection, there was a healing component. And then the last, the last part of the course the program is actually making the connection with your child on the other side. So it's filled with, you know, their PDFs and meditations and audios and everything is in the program to set you up to make that connection. And, you know, everyone that's gone through the program and done it, you know, if you follow those, those steps, you know, as they're outlined, you will experience your child on the other side. It's just absolutely beautiful. Jack's energy is interwoven in it. He he came through and and there's so many beautiful energies that are part of the program. And so yeah, it's absolutely fantastic. It's a beautiful, it's a beautiful way to learn how to make the connection yourself. And it's a beautiful way for your logical mind to kind of have something to chew on. So that you can, you know, move past that. And you really start to understand what the signs are, what you're experiencing, and really start to build that connection in that confidence that you are experiencing your child on the other side.
Brian Smith 1:08:55
Awesome. That sounds great. So let people know where they can reach you where they can find the program. And I know you also have an ebook as well.
Unknown Speaker 1:09:03
Yes, absolutely. The eBook is I see dead people. And so can you. It's available on Amazon. So you can you can have a look there. My website is live a life you love.org all spelled out. And that's where you can find information about the program. My podcast is on iTunes and Spotify. It is the Oracle of light podcast. And you can find me on social media. I'm on Facebook, I'm on Instagram come on and say hi. I love to know about everyone signs that they're receiving from their loved ones on the other side. So, you know come in and just say hello and I do work individually one on one with people around the world. And it's it's just it's such a blessing. And I'm just so so honored to be here with you today. It's just been this has been absolutely fantastic.
Brian Smith 1:09:50
Yeah, it's been great having you. So I do want to give you a chance which is anything you didn't get a chance to say any last words you want to leave us with. This is the time to do it.
Unknown Speaker 1:10:00
I just I just love to open people up that possibility. I invite you to, whenever you listen to this, I invite you to ask your loved one or your loved ones on the other side, to give you a sign and let you know that they're with you. And don't have the preconceived notion as to how it's going to show up or what it's going to be. Just be open to the possibility just I know that you're around me, I'd love to feel your sense your or can you come into my dreams or just and just follow the magic just be open and available to the possibility and I guarantee you you'll experience something.
Brian Smith 1:10:32
Awesome. Shout out have a great rest of your day. Thanks for being here.
Unknown Speaker 1:10:36
Thank you, Brian, you as well.
Brian Smith 1:10:39
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